bondjamesbond wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:36 pm
With the loss of Moscow and Leningrad , the war on the Eastern Front would not have ended ! There was also a reserve capital in Kuibyshev !
It is funny how often historical "what ifs" always seem to suggest that the decisive moment was right where things ended historically (instead of saying "following this strategy would have led to the capture of this city but would not have mattered to the larger war."

). "If the Nazis captured Moscow the war would have been over", "the war would have been over without Leningrad holding out". I imagine that is how you sell books ("this story is the most important of the entire war!"). I remember reading books, as a child, published in the early 1950s claiming the war would have been over if the Nazis captured the oil centers in the Caucus because the Soviets would not have enough fuel. It was maybe 20 years later I saw the pictures of those same oil production facilities demolished (I believe Beria was in charge of their destruction in order to prevent their capture by the Nazis) and yet the Soviet Union still had enough fuel to conduct the most far ranging, large scale, and successful Allied operations of the war.
I say this as someone who loves history and only recently, within the last 5 years, realized how much bias there can be (even within myself). I am so grateful for these educational mods (Akkula's Soviet Storm, PakMod, Battlefield Europe). "Faltering Logistical Network"? They shipped entire/vast industrial complexes to the Urals even as the frontline rapidly approached their cities (which, if they did not actually do it, would sound like a fantasy). Within one year they were transporting Lend Lease from the Arctic, Persia, and along the TranSiberian Railway all at once. "Blow to morale"? The shock of losing the majority of your professional army (and all those incredible loses of material) in the first 6 months is probably the biggest blow to morale a country can sustain (and historically/typically leads to surrender). They had to recreate their army (organization, procedures, etc.) while fighting a war for survival. The Nazis themselves frequently mentioned how they would need to defeat the Soviets quickly or it would not happen at all (and Barbarossa, in terms of POWs and material captured/destroyed, was MORE successful than even their best estimates).
Again, I am not saying this to argue or insult any point of view (views I might have held myself before playing these great mods). I am just expressing how grateful I am for this great game and the incredible modders who educated/brought me closer to a subject I love. I concur with BondJamesBond that the Soviets were never going to surrender or collapse (even with the capture of Moscow, etc.). It would be easy to add the briefing to reflect this as the mod redirects you to Kharkov.
I bet, if Napoleon had never conquered Moscow, we would be reading/hearing how the Russians would have surrendered and become part of France if he had (and the authors of those books would be experts who know this for a fact!)
