oucome question

[hazelbark]

Consider this. 1,2 are French foot. R is Russian foot. 1 is not at an angle to shoot R, but within 1 MU. It had charged and limbered artillery evaded away. But 2 is legere at 6 MU that shoots and does three hits and forces an outcome on "R" that is "retire to 3 MU if closer"

1_R

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p 55 right column 3rd bullet implies the retire 3 MU is from "the enemy." Should this be read "all enemy" or "enemy who fired at unit"

[nosher]

Can this happen?

(Assuming the Russian unit hasn't any accumulated cohesion in place) - all firing at medium or long range may only cause a single cohesion loss, and as the rest of the "retire to 3MU if closer or wavering" also reads "otherwise may not advance."

[hazelbark]

So when i asked

p 55 right column 3rd bullet implies the retire 3 MU is from "the enemy." Should this be read "all enemy" or "enemy who fired at unit"

You are saying the later?

[Astronomican]

In our games, we retire 3MU from where the shooting comes from.


Jimi

[panda2]

p.65 "Retiring Units", "Units making a retire or evade move go directly away from the enemy causing them to retreat..."

So, I'd say in this case its the enemy that did the shooting and since they're already more than 3 MUs from them, there is no retreat.

If both have fired then I'd suggest they'd have to retire to be at least 3 MUs from both, but in a direction bisecting the two firing units.

Andy D

[hazelbark]

p.65 "Retiring Units", "Units making a retire or evade move go directly away from the enemy causing them to retreat..."

Ahh good catch and I am commenting on that same sentence elsewhere. I agree.

[terrys]

panda2 wrote:
p.65 "Retiring Units", "Units making a retire or evade move go directly away from the enemy causing them to retreat..."

Ahh good catch and I am commenting on that same sentence elsewhere. I agree.

There are 2 units that cause the cavalry to retire:
(1) The infantry that are with 3MU
(2) The infantry that caused 3 hits.

Therefore the cavalry should retire to 3MU from the nearest enemy in a direction bisecting the anlge.
So the cavalry should wheel backwards approx 45deg and reitre to 3MU from infantry (1)

[Astronomican]

Can you explain how you come to the decision that both units affect the retiring unit when only one caused any hits?


Jimi

[deadtorius]

Does seem to contradict what is written. I understood it also that the shooters determined the direction of a retire move.

[terrys]

Can you explain how you come to the decision that both units affect the retiring unit when only one caused any hits?

OK - It's not entirely clear but:

Page 55: RH column 3rd Bullet point:
A unit forced to retire to 3MU from the enemy must move the minimum distance to do so. the may make a free wheel forwards or backwards.

The criteria is "from the enemy" - NOT "from the firers"
Therefore the cavalry MUST retreat so that they are not longer within 3MU of the enemy, which includes the unit number (1) in your example.

[Astronomican]

Another one for the errata, methinks.


Jimi

[hazelbark]

I thnk this is another good one for the FAQ.

Outcome "from enemy" means all enemy not just firer.

[terrys]

I thnk this is another good one for the FAQ.

Outcome "from enemy" means all enemy not just firer.

Agreed.
One of those situations where we've played it that way from the start, so didn't realise the wording wasn't clear enough..

[deadtorius]

"From all enemy units within 3MU" might be clearer

[Chasseur]

Hi Terry,

What happens if it is not possible to retreat 3MU from all enemy units, because of the position of the enemy units? Does the unit then just retreat from the firing unit(s) and ignore the other, or does it surrender or drop a Cohesion?

Cheers,
John Shaw

[terrys]

What happens if it is not possible to retreat 3MU from all enemy units, because of the position of the enemy units? Does the unit then just retreat from the firing unit(s) and ignore the other, or does it surrender or drop a Cohesion?

You'd have to almost entirely surrounded.
In this case you have to move as far away as you can fro each enemy unit and stay there.