2009 IWF European Individual Championships, Rome, Italy

Kreufeldt · Post by **Kreufeldt** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:42 pm

fredrik wrote:
Kreufeldt wrote:
fredrik wrote:That's alright I'm only in it for the booze and the groupies anyway.
Are there FoG-groupes in Italy? How come we don't have any up here? What are we doing wrong?
I blame Ogge.

I blame the fool who's taking Carthaginians to Rome...

urbanbunny1 · Post by **urbanbunny1** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:11 am

Yah! I'm the only aussie at Rome! Even if I get completely smashed I can say that I was the top ranked aussie.

Going to be half brain dead though, I will have only arrived in Europe a couple of days earlier. Hope there is a good barrista nearby, going to need a ristretto to get the brain firing.

Looking forward to meeting many of you who I've seen posting on the forums.

Simon

The Urban Bunny

Nicola_GMBS · Post by **Nicola_GMBS** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:28 am

fredrik wrote:I'm surprised to see that I'm the only one who appreciated the symmetry of taking the Carthaginians to Rome...

It would have been worse to take the Gallic Senoni tribe, the Visigoths or the Landscheknets! (or how it's spelled...)
Good choice for everybody, I surely think that it would be a pleasant tournament in a beautiful location.
Happy to meet you next week

MatteoPasi · Post by **MatteoPasi** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:04 am

philqw78 wrote:Arab Conquest 1
Catalan Company 2
Condotta Italian 1
Dominate Roman 1
Early Medieval German 1
Early North African Dynasties 1
Early Sucessor 1
Komnenan Byzantine 1
Late Republican Roman 1
Later Carthaginian 1
Later Crusader 1
Later Hungarian 1
Later Lithuanian 2
Later Ottoman Turkish 2
Later Seleucid 2
Middle Hungarian 1
Norse Irish 1
Ordonnance French 1
Principate Roman 1
Santa Hermandad Nueva Castilian 1
Sassanid Persian 2
Skythian 1
Tatar 1
War of the Roses English 2

Good mix

Nice mix, it means that army lists are balanced , very good jib for the developer !

Kreufeldt · Post by **Kreufeldt** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:12 am

Lists by book:

Rise of Rome 4
Storm of Arrows 5
Immortal Fire 2
Swords and Scimitars 2
Legions Triumphant 4
Eternal Empire 9
Decline and Fall 2
Wolves from the Sea 2

All books except one represented, and a fairly good mix between the books too. The two books that stand out are Swifter than Eagles, being the on without representation, and Eternal Empire, having 9 participating armies.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:21 am

As per my email to everyone, there is no seeding, so I had intended to do a random draw for the first round. Matteo has
suggested doing the first draw by army date. Anyone else have an opinion on that? If a lot say "yes please" it would be
no problem for me to do; I know a lot of players like historical match-ups where possible.

Regards,
Peter

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:25 am

I would prefer random.

We don't want any of this historical nonsense getting in the way...

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:25 am

fredrik wrote:I'm surprised to see that I'm the only one who appreciated the symmetry of taking the Carthaginians to Rome...

Ah, but just like Hannibal you'll be standing outside the walls, stamping your feet in frustration

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:30 am

urbanbunny1 wrote:Hope there is a good barrista nearby, going to need a ristretto to get the brain firing.

I recommend a doppio ristretto corretto...

Moro · Post by **Moro** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:07 am

no problem for an army-date based first round. But, whethever criteria you choose, I think It would be better avoid same nation match!

What do you think about?

GuglielmoMarlia · Post by **GuglielmoMarlia** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:16 am

Hi,
Wellcome eveybody.
Ok for historical match-ups.
Ciao/Guglielmo

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:16 am

Moro wrote:no problem for an army-date based first round. But, whethever criteria you choose, I think It would be better avoid same nation match!

Hard to avoid if you are Italian. Unless you mean same army match up.

Moro wrote:What do you think about?

Beer, Italian wines, Beautiful Italian women, food, wargames, pretty much in that order.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:19 am

Random matchups tend to produce more telling results in the first round as the armies are not designed to fight each other. So big wins. Historical match ups produce lots of same v's same so more draws.

On a good/bad point (depending on your opinion of seeding), this is like anti-seeding as the good players should have chosen the better armies, so they will more likely face each other in the first round.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:40 am

As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:44 am

dave_r wrote:Because I am sad and have nothing better to do, I looked at a copy of the world rankings and where possible plugged in the rankings. The results came out as follows:

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Player                   Army                           Country Ranking (world)
Phil Powell              Catalan Company                GB      8
Dave Ruddock             Skythian                       GB      10
Rafa Tortosa             Catalan Company                Sp      14
Dave Allen               Middle Hungarian               GB      21
Carlos Garcia            Early Successor                Sp      70
Jean-Yves Cassas         Sassanid Persian               Fr      75
Tim Porter               Dominate Roman                 GB      666
Marlia Guglielmo         Later Hungarian                It      124
Walter Ierman            Principate Roman               It      191
Nicola Linguerri         Later Seleucid                 It      207
Ivan Monedero            Italian Condotta               Sp      228
Pedro Sanchez            Later Ottoman Turkish          Sp      241
Sergio Monteleone        Komnenan Byzantine             It      269
Stephen Hammond          Tatar                          GB      284
Angelo Autolino          Later Crusader                 It      291
Javier Bueno             WoTR                           Sp      306
Roberto Ricamo           Early Medieval German          It      307
Brian Holmes             Later Lithuanian               GB      342
Andrea Rocchi            Santa Hooey Doo Dah            It      359
Fredrik Olausson         Later Carthaginian             Sw
Simon LeRay-Meyer        French Ordonnance              Au
Andrea Lo Moro           Norse Irish                    It
Virtus Ruestes           Later Republican Roman         Sp
Tomas Lidholm            Later Lithuanian               Sw
Matteo Pasi              Later Ottoman Turkish          It
Martin Cullell-Young     WoTR                           Sp
Fabrizio Baratto         Later Seleucid                 It
Scheele Gomez            Arab Conquest                  Sp
John Fasoulas            Early North African Dynasties  Gr
Listner Bodo             Sassanid Persian               Ge

This should just about conclusively prove that combined rankings don't work

Whenever I tried to get Tim Porters Ranking it just returned 666. How strange. Only one Dominate Roman - I am presuming it is the 19 BG Monster.

Good spread of armies - six armies picked twice being the most popular vote. Haven't bothered to break it down by book...

Hi Dave,
Italian ranking hasn't updated after a tournament in May. So I guess also the international one for Italians players (Peter ...........)
Sergio

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:47 am

dave_r wrote: Whenever I tried to get Tim Porters Ranking it just returned 666. How strange. Only one Dominate Roman - I am presuming it is the 19 BG Monster.

Me too I presume the monster with 19 BG's (if I'm not wrong the armies won Britcon 2008) ................ so it could be great playing against him in Steppe or agricultural.
Me too I expected more Romans armies ......... strange

Sergio

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:52 am

peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

As a personnal preference I would not like to play against another Catalan army, as I think its a very good army. But playing in period, with armies designed to fight each other, is a better way as it means if 2 closely matched armies play good play is more important than army

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:09 am

peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular

I completely agree with you and Gug, historical matches (on the basis of the Army Books) should be more balanced for the first round, even if each player would predict the opponenet checking the list of the players (for example Dominate Roman vs Principate Roman)
Sergio

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:28 am

philqw78 wrote:
peterrjohnston wrote:As there are only a maximum of 2 of any army, I can easily avoid them playing each other in the first round, if that is a concern.
Although historically civil wars have always been popular
As a personnal preference I would not like to play against another Catalan army, as I think its a very good army. But playing in period, with armies designed to fight each other, is a better way as it means if 2 closely matched armies play good play is more important than army

What do you think of this proposal:

the night of the 9th all the FOG players will go in a pub for making a race, Italians can drink only beer

and players from other countries only Italian red wine or grappa

.
The rankig of this race (the one who drinks more will be the winner and each player will receive points on the basis of how much he will able to drink

) will be used for the first bound
Sergio

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:39 am

sergiomonteleone wrote:What do you think of this proposal:

the night of the 9th all the FOG players will go in a pub for making a race, Italians can drink only beer and players from other countries only Italian red wine or grappa .
The rankig of this race (the one who drinks more will be the winner and each player will receive points on the basis of how much he will able to drink ) will be used for the first bound
Sergio

I think I'd be more than happy with that. A nice early start to sort the men from the boys. Thats providing italians actually can drink.