Jadtiger and SU-100 after the 41

[BaronVonKrieg]

'The Prototype of the Tiger (P) burned himsel at the final Test.
maybe ingame The Tiger (P) get some special traits like the negative General Trait, where you can lost a unit at the start of the round (for x scenarios, so long your techs need to fix the Problems, like the one Anti tank gun in the 41 ao, where you only can use units with max streng of 5) or you have to pay more prestige for reinforce the tanks

Limited supply itself should be enough I guess, since it won't come into normal production. Randomly losing movement/attack action sounds better for a prototype unit than randomly losing strength.

+1

[Agrastas]

If Tiger(P) gets negative trait, that mean that first Tiger(H)s should get very same trait due to transmission failures.

Some trivia, there were 2 trails actually, one in 1942 april and another in 1942 october... Due to death of important supporter of Tiger(P) project in 1942 february, political support shifted to Tiger(H). German high command ordered 200 Tiger(H)s to be build, before first trial even happened. However support for Tiger(P) wasn't entirely gone and despite engine failure during april trial(issue was known to higher ups), both H and P Tigers were accepted as heavy tanks of german army and were produced simultaneously. And here comes the funny part, porshe fixed engine overheating problem, which was caused by bad oil circulation/overheating. Last modification of Tiger(P) actually had more reliable engine and transmission than Tiger(H), so in october trial, despite fact that it was staged against Tiger(P), it performed well. But this trial was just a sham to cancel Tiger(P) program, thus it was cancelled.

So, Tiger(P) lost competition not because it was a bad tank, but due to politics and dirty competition.

[George_Parr]

Hitler always preferred the Porsche tank, so if anything things were stacked against the Henschel Tiger.

The Porsche Tiger also didn't just fail in April, it failed throughout the entire summer, while the Henschel version put up quite a few kilometers (while still having issues that made it not yet ready for action). They actually granted Porsche more time to fix everything. And he definately didn't manage to do that come October, because the engine never worked properly even later on when used for the Ferdinand/Elefant. Not only was it unreliable, but it actually ended up using more fuel. The Porsche version also fared worse than the Henschel one in every category during the October testing, and it required resources for its electric engine that weren't exactly available in large quantities.The decision had little to do with being a political decision, or someone playing dirty, and everything to do with the Porsche-Tiger being much further away from being combat-ready than the Henschel-Tiger. Hitler basically demanded that the Tiger be ready yesterday, Henschel could offer a somewhat ready tank in the near future, Porsche only the chance at maybe being ready in the distant future. It's rather oobvious why they would choose the former over the latter under such circumstances.

If it hadn't been for Hitler being such a fan of Porsche, Porsche's version would have been dropped much earlier on, allowing for a quicker focus on the Henschel-tank and its issues.

[Retributarr]

"So... There!!!":

You have just heard the confirmation now!. So as it has just been said... or... so as it has... "let to be spoken" [Which is just what has been expounded] that now!... that is the way it is!... so there!... stick it in your ear!.. and stop whining!. End of discussion!.

[Agrastas]

Hitler preferred Porsche company as a whole, this is why they were given green light earlier.

First of all, Ferdinand/Elefant and Tiger(P) used different engines, Ferdinand/Elefant used Maybach HL 120s, not only they were weaker than Type 101-101/2 engines used in working Porshe(P)s, but had to move larger weight. Maybach HL 120 indeed used a lot of fuel, because they were too weak to move Ferdinand/Elefant weight efficiently... Unfortunately I do not know how efficiently Type 101/2 worked. In October trial, Tiger(H) was beaten in at-least 2 tests, climbing and difficult terrain. During trial, 2 Tiger(P)s with 101/2 engines worked without issues. Trial itself was a sham, just excuse to kill Tiger(P) project. Tiger(H) was design of 6th Department of the Armament Directorate and Heinrich Kniepkamp himself, after Fritz Todt died, Porsche lost much needed support from nazi higher ups. Switch from Tiger(P) to Tiger(H) happened in matter of weeks and it happened before trial even took place. So yes, it was political.

Interesting you mentioning about fixing Tiger(H) issues, we all know that those were never fixed, improved somewhat, but never fixed. To add, if Tiger(P) was given priority, Porsche could've build and ramp up build numbers quicker than Henschel did. Maybe Porsche could've managed to build more tigers than Henschel did, before allies cut-off copper supply routes, that is.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Update:
You get an option to get 15 Tiger(P) Prototype for the Klin special objective for that Jagdtiger in the first scenario in AO 42. SU-100Y seems to be still behind.
Wagner will return with a prestige reset for 15 Tiger(P) and 29 T-34-57. This one happens before the one above.

[dalfrede]

Look at Campaign Tree for [*], thats where the special goodies show up.

[PaxusZero]

Is it only the extra 15 Tiger P that you can get (in addition to the 15 you get when your friend shows up again?) I was considering going back to 41 to get the jagdtiger, but won’t bother if so. 15 are good, don’t get me wrong, but I won’t bother replaying an entire AO just for them at this point.

[adiekmann]

Hitler preferred Porsche...

I guess I have something in common with Hitler after all...

https://www.porsche.com/usa/modelstart/ ... lrange=911

[scott_mathieson]

so i tend to do first run through without traits but i had prototype from last run still active and got tiger (P) as prototype for that. i know it was revealed before but that was a dampner for the getting these. wagner return also known but th eway it was done was really good.

[Rhaeg]

Is it only the extra 15 Tiger P that you can get (in addition to the 15 you get when your friend shows up again?) I was considering going back to 41 to get the jagdtiger, but won’t bother if so. 15 are good, don’t get me wrong, but I won’t bother replaying an entire AO just for them at this point.

If you managed to save the convoy in the final AO 1941 mission you can get 15 Tiger P. You can get 15 Tiger P (plus 29 of T-34-57s) for that 1 Jagdtiger you got in Moscow, though they require an additional prestige reset to 9500. So you end up with either 0, 15 or 30 Tiger P during the first mission in AO 1942. If you still have a save somewhere around the Moscow mission, it might be worth it going back.