Jadtiger and SU-100 after the 41

[scorehouse]

i've finished 41 for the 3rd time(bored S-list). a JT and a SU r in inventory with a strength of 1. my stockpile of KV-100's was a large price to pay if the SU follows historical introduction into the War which was 1944. the JT was introduced at the end of 44 and basically worthless. too heavy for its engine, trans, etc. plus inexperienced crews. as with all the German Forces, Air power was devastating to German vehicles especially the support vehicles carrying fuel, munitions', food, spare parts even relief troops. after D-Day, on some battlefields several abandoned non scuttled tanks, AT's and self propelled art. were recovered now in Museums.. i've personally seen a Jadpanther and Elephant in England and a JT at Ft. Benning in Georgia even though its website says the museum is not "open to the public" probably due to either money, covid, or unfortunately lack of interest. so the point, yes there is one, will the 42 include way early introduction of these Prototypes or will they sit? my Sturer is down to 12 but i assume the Elephant will show up shortly. i haven't researched its war timeline.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

SU-100Y is a prototype vehicle (only one produced) never mass produced but did participated in the Battle of Moscow and survived the war (the one you met with No Surrender), so it is there to represent the "Challenge Objective" to raid Kremlin. Gerhardt said they will grab everything valuable there and check them later, so it will trigger something like the Meteor III you get from London did in AO 41.
As for the Jagdtiger Prototype, according to the lua file comment I believe it is linked with some kind of early stage Tiger production, as the convoy dialogue also mentioned "speeding up our own development of heavy tanks". Just keep them there and see what will come in AO 42 East. Ferdinand/Elefant should come in 1943 iirc, so you won't get them until that moment as replacements for the Sturer Emil, I'm afraid.

[scorehouse]

thanks. their all itching for the 42

[scorehouse]

I tried a new strategy at Moscow. had all objectives met with 8 turns to go. of course I play the boy's size small version. not so much to win but to get to the next scenario to fight with new, proto and captured equipment. used an artillery driven Army with 3 Wurfs going around the north side to get to the Kremlin. i wanted to capture the SU but had to knock it out. just wouldn't surrender with units still available after capture?

[VirgilInTheSKY]

I tried a new strategy at Moscow. had all objectives met with 8 turns to go. of course I play the boy's size small version. not so much to win but to get to the next scenario to fight with new, proto and captured equipment. used an artillery driven Army with 3 Wurfs going around the north side to get to the Kremlin. i wanted to capture the SU but had to knock it out. just wouldn't surrender with units still available after capture?

Going 3 Wurfrahmen is very dangerous in this phase because you won't have any spare left for replacement. The SU-100Y appeared has No Surrender hero on it so there is no way to capture it, asuring that you can only get captured SU-100Y by triggering the capture Kremlin event.

[nexusno2000]

The SU-100Y will never surrender, so cannot be captured.

[mdh_slith]

I am in 1939 still and had a question. Do the special 1 strength units have a maximum strength of 1 or do you only get 1 strength point of a higher maximum. I wonder if a field repair hero could take back up to full strength during the course of a mission...

[scorehouse]

you cant deploy a unit less than 10.

[scorehouse]

i rechecked i went 2 wurfs, a 21 and the Russian version of the Wurf which basically stayed behind the other 2 for protection. both Wurfs had double support which really helped. did this without Elsa whom I inadvertently deleted instead of unassigning. now i'm having to go back thru and try to see where this happened? need to fix this accidental occurrence or allow a buy back at double price. its happened before but I caught it and was able to just restart the turn

[VirgilInTheSKY]

I am in 1939 still and had a question. Do the special 1 strength units have a maximum strength of 1 or do you only get 1 strength point of a higher maximum. I wonder if a field repair hero could take back up to full strength during the course of a mission...

It's a 1 point spare in your equipment pool, not a unit on the field.

[Magni]

Going 3 Wurfrahmen is very dangerous in this phase because you won't have any spare left for replacement.

IIRC the Wurfrahmen becomes regular equipment roughly around the start of Barbarossa. By Moscow, you will have had unlimited (other than prestige) replacements for it for a while. I actually barely used towed guns (other than one unit of 21cm Mörsers) for much of Russia. Motorised rockets and StuG IIIbs were my artillery backbone for those scenarios and their ability to keep up with rapidly maneuvering armor and motorized infantry really made a difference with the huge distances you need to cover in almost all the eastern front scenarios in AO'41.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Going 3 Wurfrahmen is very dangerous in this phase because you won't have any spare left for replacement.

IIRC the Wurfrahmen becomes regular equipment roughly around the start of Barbarossa. By Moscow, you will have had unlimited (other than prestige) replacements for it for a while. I actually barely used towed guns (other than one unit of 21cm Mörsers) for much of Russia. Motorised rockets and StuG IIIbs were my artillery backbone for those scenarios and their ability to keep up with rapidly maneuvering armor and motorized infantry really made a difference with the huge distances you need to cover in almost all the eastern front scenarios in AO'41.

With Aggressive Deployment, towed guns are my backbone, while rocket artillery are the spices.
Didn't notice that they will be available around that time because I'm playing with Denied Artillery. Maybe the prototypes won't be removed if they become available but you are playing Denied Arty?

[VirgilInTheSKY]

As for the Jagdtiger Prototype, according to the lua file comment I believe it is linked with some kind of early stage Tiger production, as the convoy dialogue also mentioned "speeding up our own development of heavy tanks".

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=106224
Now that it seems I was right about this, it is linked with acquiring the Tiger (P).

[scott_mathieson]

yes looks like if you do the swap you will get to field test some tiger (p) s, quite happy with this idea, would be a bit early to give you actual tigers

[nexusno2000]

yes looks like if you do the swap you will get to field test some tiger (p) s, quite happy with this idea, would be a bit early to give you actual tigers

Except their stats are exactly Tiger, so they are tigers...

[scott_mathieson]

i would have expected the the 'reject' tiger to be lightly worse stats, i assume you would have limited supply but not too hard to look after a tiger in 1942

[VirgilInTheSKY]

yes looks like if you do the swap you will get to field test some tiger (p) s, quite happy with this idea, would be a bit early to give you actual tigers

Except their stats are exactly Tiger, so they are tigers...

Tiger(P) and Tiger(H) uses the same turret and weapon, and also similar armour, so they should be the same, anyway.

[Agrastas]

Tiger(P) should have -1 to movement and -1 ammo storage with other stats being identical.

And it would be nice to receive Tiger P with 200mm armor in 1943

[Wolfenguard]

'The Prototype of the Tiger (P) burned himsel at the final Test.
maybe ingame The Tiger (P) get some special traits like the negative General Trait, where you can lost a unit at the start of the round (for x scenarios, so long your techs need to fix the Problems, like the one Anti tank gun in the 41 ao, where you only can use units with max streng of 5) or you have to pay more prestige for reinforce the tanks

[VirgilInTheSKY]

'The Prototype of the Tiger (P) burned himsel at the final Test.
maybe ingame The Tiger (P) get some special traits like the negative General Trait, where you can lost a unit at the start of the round (for x scenarios, so long your techs need to fix the Problems, like the one Anti tank gun in the 41 ao, where you only can use units with max streng of 5) or you have to pay more prestige for reinforce the tanks

Limited supply itself should be enough I guess, since it won't come into normal production. Randomly losing movement/attack action sounds better for a prototype unit than randomly losing strength.