: Red Army trilogy

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:26 pm

I'm playing Red Steel for now and...
I've noticed that Red Army has the pak front trait by default. It works with configuration: defender , non-core AT (first) and core AT (support). Is it intentional? It'a a huge advantage btw

bebro · Post by **bebro** » Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:52 pm

It's because of the huge AT kill zones in the Kursk Salient, which copied the pakfront idea, but also took it further.

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:33 am

I'm talking about "the quasi-pakfront" available in the 41 and 42 (Red Steel

probably Red Star too). Far before Kursk (three scenarios at least). It works only

with non-core and core at units.

I'e started the Red Storm just now and:

1. That "overrun" bug is still present. Autosave becomes corrupted. The manual save does not.
2. Why the Panthers & Flamms at the Prokhorovka

Tigers , Stugs , Pz IV G , Pz III N,M , and captured T-34 are enough

(and far more realistic).
3. "The quasi-pakfront" (without the real specialization taken) works at the Prokhorovka too.

bebro · Post by **bebro** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:13 pm

I'm not sure what you mean by "quasi-pakfront". I did a short editor test attacking a Soviet AT aux with core AT behind. No AT support was given. What does happen is AT support for a non AT defender from multiple adjacent ATs - but that is unrelated to pakfront, and same for other countries.

Do you have a save that demonstrates what the issue is?

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm

So what's the difference between at with and without the pakfront ?

Defender is supported by the multiple adjacent ats by default? And no pak front is necessary?

And with the pakfront spec second (and next) ats may not be adjacent?

Will look at the replays and I choose one.

bebro · Post by **bebro** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:25 pm

Standard AT support is given to non-AT.

Pakfront allows ATs to support eachother.

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:29 pm

So is multiple AT support given to the defender without pakfront?
But if the defender is AT is it not ?

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:55 pm

4. Po 2 Commander bug

After Red Steel I was able to detach the (nice one) Po 2's Commander to the Aircobras unit but not able to re-attach to another unit even the Po 2

?

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm

Check this .rec please.

AT/pakfront bug and the Po 2's Commander bug.

terminator · Post by **terminator** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm

It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her

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GabeKnight · Post by **GabeKnight** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 pm

I see no bug/problem with the AT support/pakfront mechanic:

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terminator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her

It's intentional, she has got an "undetachable" trait to her...

terminator · Post by **terminator** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:00 pm

GabeKnight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 pm
terminator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:19 pm It looks like there’s a problem with this Air Commander, we can detach the other Air Commanders except her
It's intentional, she has got an "undetachable" trait to her...

This is what I thought but it should be indicated in the "Unit Traits"

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[KACIARYNA_KASYANOVA]
id = 94
category = air
faction = ussr
weapon = infantry_attack, 1
defense = air_defense, 2
shock = 10
range = 0
camouflaged
undetachable

What is camouflaged ? Undetectable by radar ?

terminator · Post by **terminator** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:16 pm

It should be presented in this way for example:

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terminator · Post by **terminator** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:29 am

shiroronin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 pm Check this .rec please.

AT/pakfront bug and the Po 2's Commander bug.

How did you arrive to detach the undetachable Air Commander from the Polikarpov Po-2 ?
The Po-2 plane was shot down ? Po-2 plane upgraded ? The undetachable Air Commander was injured ?

GabeKnight · Post by **GabeKnight** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:05 am

...or "disband" or just core import.

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:16 am

@Terminator

No.Nope.Never

After Red Steel I've imported the core units to the Red Storm.

Po 2's (cute) Commander was available to assign (as the others). I did not use her at the Prochorowka (first scenario). So she was available at the second (Rumiancew). I've assigned her to Aircobras unit

then.

btw
It will be great to honor the Night Witches' real mother & Commander Marina Raskowa (eng. Rascova or Raskova) though

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:16 am

5. BUG (Red Steel) third scenario Kerch-Eltigen 43

Secondary objective "do not lose more than 4 ships" doesn't work properly. I did lose 1 ship but the objective had became unchecked

So my +2 spec lost

Check the .rec please.

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:16 am

Sorry RED STORM

shiroronin · Post by **shiroronin** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:58 pm

FIXED.

Reload of the last turn helped

terminator · Post by **terminator** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:10 am

KACIARYNA KASYANOVA would be more appropriate for a tactical bomber than a fighter ?

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