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[bru888]

Having said all that, I still think you going the extra mile with those Finnish sentences etc. is simply incredible.

They add flavor, that's for sure. Well, stay tuned because I have a couple more coming your way, if you are willing to spend a few minutes on them. Next post, coming very shortly.

So, what I did was to provide a Wrap Up message to follow either the campaign Victory or Defeat messages. It's just a historical bit of facts about how the war ended, and it's applicable to whether the player won or lost the campaign:

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So, Cool, if you will, the sentences that I would like your judgment on are in the Victory and Defeat messages. These are supposedly Finnish proverbs; they came from a web site of such which looks like it was prepared by a native Finnish speaker from the slight errors in English translations that I could detect. Here they are:

Joka kehhuin sottaan lähtöö, ei se sieltä takasin tule (Who goes boasting to war will not return from it).

Sota ei päätä kuka on oikeassa, vain sen että kuka on jäljellä (War does not determine who is right, only who remains).

If you can improve on them, I would appreciate your help. Keep in mind that space is limited and that the message box may move a long word to the next line of the message box, leaving an unsightly gap and truncating the end of the message. If these are merely okay with you, that's good enough for me (and the rest of us). If it's one of those "God is cold" situations (I also hope He is not), though, your suggestions will be welcome.

[CoolDTA]

Joka kehhuin sottaan lähtöö, ei se sieltä takasin tule (Who goes boasting to war will not return from it).

Sota ei päätä kuka on oikeassa, vain sen että kuka on jäljellä (War does not determine who is right, only who remains).

Very nice! The first is good as it is. The other one would be better like this: Sota ei päätä, kuka on oikeassa, vain sen, ken jäljelle jää. It is even a tiny bit shorter. I don't think this is a Finnish proverb: never heard of it, it cannot be found elsewhere and the... tone (?) doesn't feel right. Nevertheless, it is appropriate here, so let it stay.

[bru888]

Done! Looks good. Thanks so much for the help.

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Maybe those were a Finnish family's proverbs? Or somebody's personal sayings?

If you search for "Finnish proverbs" you will find several sources. Here's the web site where I got the one that you corrected: http://oaks.nvg.org/finnish-proverbs.html

[bru888]

Erik, there was a mix up of names and descriptions in the first couple of scenarios. Also the order of them.

I went to The Blitz Wargaming Club and found every scenario. I wish I had done that for the first campaign as I would have understood more about where this is coming from. I thought it was from one source; somebody's campaign. Instead, I see that these are custom scenarios (among dozens by the same two designers) uploaded to the The Blitz web site. You probably own the game that they were designed for and therefore chose these to string together into our campaign.

So, with more information, I have rearranged some things about this campaign; nothing important, just various names and the order of the first two scenarios:

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Note that this is still your first scenario; it's merely been relabeled and organized properly (yes, that's a good effect - I will reuse the popup message to explain it and introduce the scenario):

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Here is the campaign tree:

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[CoolDTA]

Maybe those were a Finnish family's proverbs? Or somebody's personal sayings?

It is possible. However, the structure is clumsy (sen että kuka -> direct translation 'it that who') and is not used in proverbs. The guy behind the site is Norwegian. Vikings are everywhere.

Minor typo in the WW40 campaign tree: Krivesmaki -> Kirvesmaki

The sandstorm effect is a nice touch.

[bru888]

Minor typo in the WW40 campaign tree: Krivesmaki -> Kirvesmaki

That's one of those "original source" guys whom I am feeling like slapping at this point.

Moreover, it's got one of those diacritic marks over the "a" as in "Kirvesmäki." I looked it up in Google and verified it with an internet search, finding several references to that spelling:

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And now, since the hosts of this forum never got around to fixing the problem of editing images in existing posts - it's like talking to the wind around here at times - and since your subsequent post prevents me from deleting my earlier post and starting over, here is another copy of the campaign tree. The one above will likely be the one used and floating around the internet, however.

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Thanks.

[Erik2]

My source for our Winter War campaigns is John Tiller's 'Winter War' (squad/single vehicle units, 40m hex and 5-minute turns (! )

[CoolDTA]

My source for our Winter War campaigns is John Tiller's 'Winter War' (squad/single vehicle units, 40m hex and 5-minute turns (! )

Yep, I was quite surprised you used Squad Battles as a source because it is for very small scale battles. But as usual you made it work and have done an excellent work with Master Bru.

That's one of those "original source" guys whom I am feeling like slapping at this point.

Only slapping?

Moreover, it's got one of those diacritic marks over the "a" as in "Kirvesmäki." I looked it up in Google and verified it with an internet search, finding several references to that spelling:

Yes, the correct spelling is 'Kirvesmäki'. Note that in Finnish these diacritic marks are not for pronunciation, but signify a different letter altogether (a, o, ä, ö). Anyway, here I was settling with ä -> a and ö -> o, while you want to do it professionally with ä and ö. That's so great.

Below are two maps, which should be helpful for for Terenttilä and Kirvesmäki. The small numbers (1 - 7) are strongpoints (before and after the attacks).

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[bru888]

These maps are great!

[CoolDTA]

@Bru: Below a map for Honkaniemi scenario. Note: hv = tank.

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[bru888]

@Bru: Below a map for Honkaniemi scenario. Note: hv = tank.

Heh. Where were you in 1939? The campaign, that is. Thanks once again. Love how each map is sequentially numbered, too.

I will use that photo. Forgive my ignorance; you can probably tell at a glance, but are those Finns or Russians? For, when the Finns doff their white capes and put away their skis, their uniforms seem to resemble the Russians (first priority: cold). The cool thing about Finnish helmets, which do not appear in this pic, is that they resemble the German variety. Quite distinctive from Russian helmets.

[CoolDTA]

I will use that photo. Forgive my ignorance; you can probably tell at a glance, but are those Finns or Russians? For, when the Finns doff their white capes and put away their skis, their uniforms seem to resemble the Russians (first priority: cold). The cool thing about Finnish helmets, which do not appear in this pic, is that they resemble the German variety. Quite distinctive from Russian helmets.

They are Finns. The guys with the black caps/helmets are the crew and the rest are there just to have a cool photo for Instagram. Glad you found use for the photo.

Finland used many models of helmets in ww2 - German, Hungarian, Finnish, Italian, Czech, Swedish and Soviet. Couldn't be too picky. The Germans or similar variants were indeed the most prevalent.

[bru888]

Finland used many models of helmets in ww2 - German, Hungarian, Finnish, Italian, Czech, Swedish and Soviet. Couldn't be too picky. The Germans or similar variants were indeed the most prevalent.

So those are Finns in this photo? See, based on the helmets, I would say they are Soviets (although that hat on the right does look Finnish). A confusing war, this was in some aspects, eh?

[CoolDTA]

So those are Finns in this photo? See, based on the helmets, I would say they are Soviets (although that hat on the right does look Finnish).

Well spotted! The field cap is indeed a clue and they are Finnish soldiers. Engineers actually according to the description.

A confusing war, this was in some aspects, eh?

True. But considering the Finnish lack of equipment especially in Winter War, it sure was nice the Soviets were so generous in "donating" a lot of useful stuff to us.

[Igor1941]

Finland used many models of helmets in ww2 - German, Hungarian, Finnish, Italian, Czech, Swedish and Soviet. Couldn't be too picky. The Germans or similar variants were indeed the most prevalent.

So those are Finns in this photo? See, based on the helmets, I would say they are Soviets (although that hat on the right does look Finnish). A confusing war, this was in some aspects, eh?

https://sotaveteraanit.fi/author/veteraanit/page/11/

[CoolDTA]

@Bru: Below a map for Lemetti. It was known as "General Motti" because of the two Soviet generals in it.

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Spoils of war: The Soviets left even a parasol in the motti.

[bru888]

These Winter War photos are useful. I have acquired two or three dozen but it's surprising how quickly I went through them for Winter War 1939 and the beginning of Winter War 1940. It's an arbitrary quirk with me to avoid using the same photo more than once but that makes it difficult.

So, the photo above will appear in this campaign as one of the celebratory "We won!" scenario-ending images, thanks. The most difficult photos to find, however, are "triumphant Soviets in snow" to be used for the opposite purpose. Please keep your eyes peeled for those especially and if you are willing to share them here, I would be most appreciative.

[CoolDTA]

The most difficult photos to find, however, are "triumphant Soviets in snow" to be used for the opposite purpose. Please keep your eyes peeled for those especially and if you are willing to share them here, I would be most appreciative.

Yes, you are correct. To add the insult they are often of very poor quality. Below you find a few. Maybe you already have some of them (like the one with the flag). The one with the tank is suitable for Honkaniemi and the castle photo for Viipuri (losing the scen).

Hmm... the silly thing seems to accept only three images (others don't have 'place inline') unless you're Bru or Deja Bru. So three posts in total. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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[CoolDTA]

And more pics:

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[CoolDTA]

And the final three:

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