Chariot armies.

stefoid · Post by **stefoid** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:48 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
stefoid wrote:Are you saying that even though the STE list will include heavy chariots, we now think they didnt really exist? Should heavy chariots really only be inlcuded in fog to cater for the mad indian trucks and such?
STE?

Nobody is saying that heavy chariots did not exist, only that they (probably) did not exist at the time of the Hittite Empire. They came into use somewhat later.

Swifter Than Eagles

By later than Hitties, are we talking Late bronze age or iron age or?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:19 am

stefoid wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:Nobody is saying that heavy chariots did not exist, only that they (probably) did not exist at the time of the Hittite Empire. They came into use somewhat later.
By later than Hitties, are we talking Late bronze age or iron age or?

From the early 9th century BC

WhiteKnight · Post by **WhiteKnight** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:53 pm

The Hittite Empire period chariots in the Kadesh reliefs look Egyptian in style but at least one has three men in it. Weaponry sems unclear to me, but there is a shieldbearer. I would opt for LCh for that period, not sure about armament. The so-called neo-Hittite chariots I have seen in reliefs in Turkey and Syria, of the period 1000-700 BC, seem heavier, built with more solid wheels but are manned by only an archer and a driver.

Martin

vamrat · Post by **vamrat** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:47 pm

So who would have heavy chariots? I don't think I have seen any in any of the lists I have looked at. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:00 pm

vamrat wrote:So who would have heavy chariots? I don't think I have seen any in any of the lists I have looked at. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

Babylonians, later Assyrians, Hittites (in the later period) for starters

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:25 am

vamrat wrote:So who would have heavy chariots? I don't think I have seen any in any of the lists I have looked at. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

Well the book most of them are in (Swifter than Eagles) hasn't been published yet. (Although there are some in Immortal Fire)

vamrat · Post by **vamrat** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:32 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
vamrat wrote:So who would have heavy chariots? I don't think I have seen any in any of the lists I have looked at. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
Well the book most of them are in (Swifter than Eagles) hasn't been published yet. (Although there are some in Immortal Fire)

I looked harder last night and found some in the Later Dynastic Egyptians. The chariot rules look pretty good. I might need an army of them now!

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:36 pm

vamrat wrote:I looked harder last night and found some in the Later Dynastic Egyptians. The chariot rules look pretty good. I might need an army of them now!

If you can wait a month or so you will have a much wider choice of heavy chariot armies

vamrat · Post by **vamrat** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:47 pm

hammy wrote:
vamrat wrote:I looked harder last night and found some in the Later Dynastic Egyptians. The chariot rules look pretty good. I might need an army of them now!
If you can wait a month or so you will have a much wider choice of heavy chariot armies

That's the plan! I will have to wait to see the lists before I decide, but I'm leaning towards Assyrians, NKE, or Illiad-era Myceneans.

I did a paper on the Assyrian military back in my college days, so I might need to dust off some of my research. I'm guessing we'll see the first effective cavalry of the era and drilled infantry and armoured/protected archers/slingers?

ars_belli · Post by **ars_belli** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:21 pm

Some clues on the makeup of upcoming Assyrian lists may be found in these threads:

viewtopic.php?t=5567
viewtopic.php?t=6243
viewtopic.php?t=6284
viewtopic.php?t=6565
viewtopic.php?t=9116

Cheers,
Scott

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:30 pm

vamrat wrote:
hammy wrote:
vamrat wrote:I looked harder last night and found some in the Later Dynastic Egyptians. The chariot rules look pretty good. I might need an army of them now!
If you can wait a month or so you will have a much wider choice of heavy chariot armies
That's the plan! I will have to wait to see the lists before I decide, but I'm leaning towards Assyrians, NKE, or Illiad-era Myceneans.

I did a paper on the Assyrian military back in my college days, so I might need to dust off some of my research. I'm guessing we'll see the first effective cavalry of the era and drilled infantry and armoured/protected archers/slingers?

You won't find any heavy chariots in the NKE list

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:39 pm

ars_belli wrote:Some clues on the makeup of upcoming Assyrian lists may be found in these threads:

viewtopic.php?t=5567
viewtopic.php?t=6243
viewtopic.php?t=6284
viewtopic.php?t=6565
viewtopic.php?t=9116

Cheers,
Scott

Or indeed here - http://www.endoftime.pwp.blueyonder.co. ... syrian.pdf - no guarantees though

stefoid · Post by **stefoid** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:51 pm

vamrat wrote:So who would have heavy chariots? I don't think I have seen any in any of the lists I have looked at. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

Ah, dont be seduced by heavy chariots. Those poor-mans knights will just tempt you into trouble. Play a pure chariot army - the Mitanni! The Mohamed Ali of ancient armies.

DaiSho · Post by **DaiSho** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:27 am

daleivan wrote:It's a safe bet that New Kingdom Egyptian

Dale

Would have thought NKE would have been Light Chariots.

Ian

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:59 am

vamrat wrote:
hammy wrote:
vamrat wrote:I looked harder last night and found some in the Later Dynastic Egyptians. The chariot rules look pretty good. I might need an army of them now!
If you can wait a month or so you will have a much wider choice of heavy chariot armies
That's the plan! I will have to wait to see the lists before I decide, but I'm leaning towards Assyrians, NKE, or Illiad-era Myceneans.

I did a paper on the Assyrian military back in my college days, so I might need to dust off some of my research. I'm guessing we'll see the first effective cavalry of the era and drilled infantry and armoured/protected archers/slingers?

Armoured slingers are likely to be a thing of the past (DBx or the near-mythical FoG seige expansion).

I've been playing late assyrians and if the beta is anything like the final list version they are great fun and a decent army in any period. I am trying certain allies (the skythian ally is already published in immortal fire).

Only just last night I unpacked another 8 tribal slingers and javelinmen (LF). and some Nubian bowmen (MF) to boost the core shooters of shooting armoured cav, armoured bow/ltSpear and shooting heavy chariots.

Anthony

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:54 am

expendablecinc wrote:I've been playing late assyrians and if the beta is anything like the final list version they are great fun and a decent army in any period. I am trying certain allies (the skythian ally is already published in immortal fire).

The Skythian allies list in Swifter than Eagles differs by having the "best equipped" cavalry as Protected rather than Armoured.