Chariot armies.

Dyeeles · Post by **Dyeeles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:43 pm

I fancy getting a chariot heavy army, quite why I don't know but insanity can not be ruled out, which army lists are likely to have the most chariots in?

I've already ordered swifter than eagles but I'd like to start looking at possibilities before then.

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:02 pm

It's a safe bet that New Kingdom Egyptian and Mitanni will be chariot heavy

Dale

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:05 pm

see this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=9084

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:26 pm

The Chinese should run a few if you can wait until those lists come out.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:49 pm

Spartacus wrote:The Chinese should run a few if you can wait until those lists come out.

There are a few of the Eastern lists with a decent number of chariots but none of the lists come close to the Mittanni for sheer chariot goodness. I am not sure that I actually have enough chariots to do a maximum Mittanni list and I have virtually got a full file box of 2 horse chariots (OK some have 3 crew).

New Kingdom Egyptian will be able to have a similar number of chariots to Mittanni at 800 points but the absolute maximum is a touch lower as is the Hittite one.

HannibalBarca · Post by **HannibalBarca** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:41 am

Lots of chariots the only requirement you say? You don't need any of those old sandy biblical people. What you want is a good old-fashioned, hairy, celtic briton horde, preferably with Boudicca at the the helm. Show them romans who *should* have won!

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:23 am

HannibalBarca wrote:Lots of chariots the only requirement you say? You don't need any of those old sandy biblical people. What you want is a good old-fashioned, hairy, celtic briton horde, preferably with Boudicca at the the helm. Show them romans who *should* have won!

Good thought but the Britons can 'only' have 32 chariots, significantly fewer than the Mittanni

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:03 am

Chinese, DOH!

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:19 am

Spartacus wrote:Chinese, DOH!

Very nice. Should do nicely for a Warring States/Early Han Chinese army - which looks to be pretty effective under the rules.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:28 am

Ahh! A clue

They are my Han Chinese. Containing 16 Heavy and 4 Light Chariots. I am assuming some of them will end up on the shelf with my Arab Camelry as far as a Tourney Army goes. <-------Yes! Looking for another clue.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:46 am

Spartacus wrote:Ahh! A clue

They are my Han Chinese. Containing 16 Heavy and 4 Light Chariots. I am assuming some of them will end up on the shelf with my Arab Camelry as far as a Tourney Army goes. <-------Yes! Looking for another clue.

I thought that you built armies to double the list maxima as a rule anyway

Actually I think that if you use them as Early Zhou you will be able to get most of them on the table points allowing without pushing the limits of the list.

Dyeeles · Post by **Dyeeles** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:06 am

So NKE, Hittite or Mittani. Which manufacturers do them in 15mm?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:40 am

Dyeeles wrote:So NKE, Hittite or Mittani. Which manufacturers do them in 15mm?

Beware of currently produced Hittite chariots, the crew will be wrong for the current interpretation of the evidence. (Although the list does allow the old interpretation to be used for the sake of backwards compatibility).

The modern interpretation is that they should be classifed as Light Chariots, Bow, normally with 2 crew.

Having said that, the 3-men crew did exist (at the battle of Kadesh), but the third man is now thought to be a chariot runner being given a lift. However, as the effect of chariot runners is included in the effect of Light Chariots, there is really no reason why the old 3-man chariots cannot be used as Light Chariots in FOG. But I would at least add some bow/arrow cases to the chariot body.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:49 pm

hammy wrote:I thought that you built armies to double the list maxima as a rule anyway

Actually I think that if you use them as Early Zhou you will be able to get most of them on the table points allowing without pushing the limits of the list.

Whilst that is true Hammy is see no problem in trying to prise out another clue with whatever lever I can get onto the page.

Hmm! Early Zhou is very interesting and gives a massive timespan to play with.

"Exits left to check out troops for Hangzhou and Shanghai around 1000 BC"

Cheers, Terry.

tadamson · Post by **tadamson** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:06 pm

Spartacus wrote:
hammy wrote:I thought that you built armies to double the list maxima as a rule anyway

Actually I think that if you use them as Early Zhou you will be able to get most of them on the table points allowing without pushing the limits of the list.
Whilst that is true Hammy is see no problem in trying to prise out another clue with whatever lever I can get onto the page.

Hmm! Early Zhou is very interesting and gives a massive timespan to play with.

"Exits left to check out troops for Hangzhou and Shanghai around 1000 BC"

Cheers, Terry.

As a dampener the figs are only accurate for the later warring states period and you dont have cavalry in early Zhou period

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:42 pm

Spartacus wrote:Chinese, DOH!

"Oh come on, guys! All that to deliver one order of Chicken Fried Rice, and then you forget the fortune cookie?"

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:29 pm

Please tell me the designs on the umbrellas of the chariots are made by LBMS, please!

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:56 pm

No, footslogger they are from :-

http://www.3vwargames.co.uk/shop/extras15mm.html

Many people miss them on that site as they are put with the Elephant transfers under extras. They are cheaper than Steves but one colour and waterslide but look fine.

Terry

stefoid · Post by **stefoid** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:29 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
Dyeeles wrote:So NKE, Hittite or Mittani. Which manufacturers do them in 15mm?
Beware of currently produced Hittite chariots, the crew will be wrong for the current interpretation of the evidence. (Although the list does allow the old interpretation to be used for the sake of backwards compatibility).

The modern interpretation is that they should be classifed as Light Chariots, Bow, normally with 2 crew.

Having said that, the 3-men crew did exist (at the battle of Kadesh), but the third man is now thought to be a chariot runner being given a lift. However, as the effect of chariot runners is included in the effect of Light Chariots, there is really no reason why the old 3-man chariots cannot be used as Light Chariots in FOG. But I would at least add some bow/arrow cases to the chariot body.

Are you saying that even though the STE list will include heavy chariots, we now think they didnt really exist? Should heavy chariots really only be inlcuded in fog to cater for the mad indian trucks and such?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:47 am

stefoid wrote:Are you saying that even though the STE list will include heavy chariots, we now think they didnt really exist? Should heavy chariots really only be inlcuded in fog to cater for the mad indian trucks and such?

STE?

Nobody is saying that heavy chariots did not exist, only that they (probably) did not exist at the time of the Hittite Empire. They came into use somewhat later.