Bedouin Dynasties - List Question

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:19 am

The Bedouin Dynasties List mentions two types of Hamdanids, Aleppo and Mosul. There is a time overlap between these.

Does that mean that the lines which state "Hamdanids of Aleppo" cannot use Ghilman or Dailami? It's my reading based on previous replies (distinct lines are for different rulers, ref: Early/Late Successor lists).

What's confusing is that the special campaign 964/65 says Hamdanids of Aleppo, and specifies that Ghilman can't be used... this suggests they can use them outside of this campaign)

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:49 am

aleppo and mosul are two different things for this list.

Then the year.

So you could be aleppo but not those years. Although iirc you want to check what else ceases to be available. I am sure our friendly hamdanid Nik will post some history when he awakes on thursday.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:28 am

Hamdanids of any flavour can use ghilman apart from the Aleppo branch in 964-965.

In fact the Aleppo lot shouldn't really be able to have ghilman for the 966-1008 period as well, or indeed Dailami, as in reality they didn't have an army worth talking about. However, to avoid too many exceptions, and as a Mosul army could have both so call it Mosul if you're being pedantic, no restrictions were put in (or I forgot to suggest it).

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:02 am

no restrictions were put in (or I forgot to suggest it).

Selective memory?

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:11 am

Nah, I think I was trying to keep it relatively simple - after all I didn't include a Hamdanid of Aleppo army based at Mayyafariqin as an option which could have been done ...

OldenTired · Post by **OldenTired** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:27 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Hamdanids of any flavour can use ghilman apart from the Aleppo branch in 964-965.

In fact the Aleppo lot shouldn't really be able to have ghilman for the 966-1008 period as well, or indeed Dailami, as in reality they didn't have an army worth talking about. However, to avoid too many exceptions, and as a Mosul army could have both so call it Mosul if you're being pedantic, no restrictions were put in (or I forgot to suggest it).

well, if you delete the one line in the special campaign bit, then the list will read like that.

until then? i'm exploiting a loophole, baby!