First draft Early Principate army

Fulgrim · Post by **Fulgrim** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:02 am

Im trying to get an principate list in to order. Im putting it around 100AD. I allready had 2 DBA-boxes of them and some bits and pieces and i want to see how what i have would work as it is. Here goes (note - not in "order of battle"):

IC
2xTC

Fortified Camp

4 Aux archers MF
4 Aux. foot MF with 2 supporting LF bow
4 Aux. foot MF with 2 supporting LF bow
6 Veteran Legiones (HF, superior, armoured)
6 Veteran Legiones (HF, superior, armoured)
4 LF slingers (average)
8 LF Allied archers
4 Aux Cv (superior)
4 LH Numibians
2 Light artillery

Sarmatian Ally
1TC
6 Sarmatian Cv

I feel low on Legionares but i dont want to buy new miniatures piecemeal so i hope some of you can give me some feedback on the list? it would be much appriciated!

BTW - I havent played romans in any type of tabletop game. I have been more into the helenistic scene so far.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:54 am

Definitely need more legionarii IMO - a couple of 4 base BGs would fit in nicely I think. Personally I'm not keen on artillery so I'd drop them and I'm not sure about the Sarmatians either to be honest.

Whilst I understand this is what you have in lead I think it is too lightweight for a Roman army and it'd be defeated by the soft targets being taken out.

domblas · Post by **domblas** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:03 am

imo support from light foot to legions and auxilary main beneficial is enhancing BG size and thus strenghening it from shooting and hits in close combat.

half a dice from charging mounted doesn't seem to me the main interest.

given that, i'd be reluctant to use lf support on 4 bases BG, coz it makes it 6 bases and thus still have to test if shot at by 2 hits. I'd prefer 6 bases supported with 3 bases LF thus having a 9 bases BG very solid.

ur point of view nik? i saw ur prinicpate roman army on ur website, full of 4 bases BG supported. So iguess u have different point of view.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:15 am

Whilst it is still a CT test from shooting if you take 2 hits on a 6 base BG you do not get the -1 modifier for taking 1Hp2B which is a big difference.

Also they last longer in melee.

Fulgrim · Post by **Fulgrim** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:42 pm

Thanks for the feedback!

How about the generals? Id like to have an IC, but the cost is gruesome..

I will go over the list again with another perspektive, think im still seleucided

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:41 pm

At first glance 80 pts for an IC does seem a lot. But given their abilities, 12" command radius and extra + to morale, cmt & initiative, they are worth their weight in gold.

Just don't let them fight if you don't have to.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:04 pm

Fulgrim wrote:How about the generals? Id like to have an IC, but the cost is gruesome..

I really think an IC is a waste of points in a Principate Roman army. The extra cohesion modiefer vs shooting isnt really needed, and you are better off with a low pre-battle initiative so you get to move first.

More legionaries!

Fulgrim · Post by **Fulgrim** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:15 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
Fulgrim wrote:How about the generals? Id like to have an IC, but the cost is gruesome..
I really think an IC is a waste of points in a Principate Roman army. The extra cohesion modiefer vs shooting isnt really needed, and you are better off with a low pre-battle initiative so you get to move first.

More legionaries!

Thanks! I one player at the club vouches for 4 TC:s, but i really like having som quality at the helm.. 1 FC and 2 TC?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm

Fulgrim wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
Fulgrim wrote:How about the generals? Id like to have an IC, but the cost is gruesome..
I really think an IC is a waste of points in a Principate Roman army. The extra cohesion modiefer vs shooting isnt really needed, and you are better off with a low pre-battle initiative so you get to move first.

More legionaries!
Thanks! I one player at the club vouches for 4 TC:s, but i really like having som quality at the helm.. 1 FC and 2 TC?

Nah. 4 TCs for the win. And make sure you don't have 10 bases of LH/Cavalry. You want a PBI of 0.