Skirmish Unit Types

[Great_Ajax]

I don't know if this is being discussed but it would be nice if the players could identify the kinds of units that they would like for each side and then the corresponding unit selections are offered in the skirmish mode. For example, the German player could choose Panzer, Panzergrenadier, Infantry, Fallschirmjager, Aufklarungs etc. as a unit type. When chosen, the unit list would offer logical unit selections/rarities based on those selections. If I choose a Panzergrenadier type, there should be a generous selection of halftracks, trucks, and infantry. I would like to do some infantry on infantry heavy battles but that is difficult to do so far.

Enjoying the skirmishes so far!

Trey

[pomakli]

I offered to have the possibility of choosing "transport vehicles" in "unlimited numbers" for very large maps; but your description is far better than mine. Thanks...

[Amaris]

Good idea: this option is lacking on Skirmish mode.

Otherwise the map options are good and they allow you to vary the setups.

Perhaps limit the number of powerfull units like the Tiger II. Many times no problem but on my last solo game on defend with german I can buy 5 Tiger II:



It was fun but it was a soviet slaughter:

[pipfromslitherine]

LOL - that does look like fun! I think there are checks to try and prevent that kind of super-unit overload, but Andrew is the skirmish-meister

Cheers

Pip

[Great_Ajax]

This is the concept that I was thinking about using a rarity system based on the unit type that is selected.

Common and Uncommon types always show up as a purchase option. Common unit types are available in abundance and form the basis of the unit (company). Rare units have 30% chance of being an option at a low number and Ultra-rare units have a 15% chance of being an option. These percentages are just a rough idea. Some rough examples below. I would be happy to help define these more if Slitherine is interested.

1. Fallschirmjager Infantry 1944

German Paratrooper - Common (12 Units)
German Paratrooper MG 34 - Common (6 Units)
German Paratrooper Scout - Common (6 Units)
German Paratrooper 8cm Mortar - Common (6 Units)
German 12cm Mortar - Uncommon (4 Units)
Panzerschreck Rocket Launcher - Uncommon (4 Units)
75mm Pak40 - Uncommon (4 Units)
88mm Anti-Tank Gun - Rare (2 Units)
StuG IIIG - Uncommon (4 Units)
Panzer IVG - Rare (4 Units)
Panther A - Rare (4 Units)
Tiger - Rare (2 Units)
Jagdpanther - Ultra Rare (2 Units)
German Truck - Uncommon (4 Units)

2. Panzer Division 1944
Panzer IVG - Common (8 Units)
Panther A - Common (8 Units)
German Infantry - Uncommon (4 Units)
Sdkfz 251 Halftrack - Uncommon (4 Units)
Tiger - Rare (4 Units)

Trey

[AndrewGardner]

The skirmish logic is set up to allow some unit types to only show up in small numbers but we haven't filled that data in yet. Let us know which units you think should be limited for either balance or historical reasons (please specify which). We can probably start with the Kingtiger and IS-2.

[Great_Ajax]

Is there a list of the equipment that is available in the game?

Trey

The skirmish logic is set up to allow some unit types to only show up in small numbers but we haven't filled that data in yet. Let us know which units you think should be limited for either balance or historical reasons (please specify which). We can probably start with the Kingtiger and IS-2.

[LandMarine47]

Someone tell me how the KT shall fare against the IS-2! Is there something that can actually dethrone the KT? If this is BA, then the IS-2 must already be OP can't wait! PS is there somekind of secret MAUS VS IS-3 (or is it an IS-7?) action?

[morge4]

Someone tell me how the KT shall fare against the IS-2! Is there something that can actually dethrone the KT? If this is BA, then the IS-2 must already be OP can't wait! PS is there somekind of secret MAUS VS IS-3 (or is it an IS-7?) action?

Haven't gotten a KT vs IS1 yet...but I have been able to take a regular Tiger at 6-7 hexes with a ISU-122...frontal shot

[rf900]

From a few games I feel that there should be more infantry (proportionally to vehicles), at least for small and also urban maps. How is the buyable force generated? The type of units and number of each that can be picked.

[AndrewGardner]

We are certainly interested in feedback on the proportions of units.

The skirmish logic attempts to make sure that both sides have units that are useful for attack and/or defence depending on their role in the scenario in a fair way, but does not guarantee that a player is always going to have the optimal forces for the scenario.

Setting the Force Selection type in the advanced settings to All will give the player more or less choice in the matter.

[MartyWard]

Would it be possible to have a choice on the skirmish set up screen for a type of force? Ajax has a good idea where basic force composition was laid out and that is what you choose your unit from. Say you could pick from 3 basic types, Infantry, Armor and Mech and each had a force pool to choose from. For example if you choose Infantry then you would get mostly equipment found in an Infantry battalion and maybe the odd tank or artillery unit. For Armor you would get mostly tanks with an odd unit or two thrown in. For Mech maybe a mix of infantry and Armor plus more transports.

The basic structures of each force would need to be laid out but if there were only 3 types of formations maybe it wouldn't be to much work.

[rf900]

The "all" option seems to give better results, but too varied. In one I got only one infantry unit type, and could only pick 2 units. Also got an artillery piece but no transport for an attack map. I would say that normal infantry (5 or 6 units) and trucks should always be available, still you can always go back and forward again to get a new set of troops to choose from.

[AndrewGardner]

Thanks for the feedback. We are continuing to tune the unit selection including a higher probability of transport units and more infantry units for attackers.

We are trying to keep the balance between giving the player a lot of different skirmish experiences, and not putting players in unwinnable or absurd situations.

[morge4]

I'm a bit disappointing with the Soviet unit purchase...in all teh games as Soviet (about 6 I think), I have only been able to pick mortars for onboard artillery. No Katyusha Rocket launchers! My opponents get Hummels and Wurfhammen (sp) rockets??? I have played different years, 1942-1945 and never been offered them in Skirmish play. Are then not ready as a unit right now?

I did notice that the 76mm AT gun can also be used as artillery...so I will start using it when available but I want my rockets!

[AndrewGardner]

We are using the Katyusha as an off-board artillery bonus.

[MartyWard]

Shouldn't some sort of artillery be always be available, either off board or on board, for any Russian attack after 41?

[morge4]

We are using the Katyusha as an off-board artillery bonus.

Aww shucks...something is really needed for the Soviets...they used artillery very heavily...would love to see Stalin's Organ on board as a unit!

[morge4]

We are using the Katyusha as an off-board artillery bonus.

Aww shucks...something is really needed for the Soviets...they used artillery very heavily...would love to see Stalin's Organ on board as a unit!

Can we get this instead...

[LandMarine47]

I can tell that will be like 1000 points and pretty OP!