Greek lists: Theban specific

gavin · Post by **gavin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:48 pm

Hi all,

I have just picked up the rules and am waiting for Immortal fire to come out as I wish to do a greek force.

My question is, are the greek lists split donw to specific areas? I am actually wanting to do a Theban force and wondered if there was a Theban list.

Thanks in advance.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:05 pm

The Greek list is all in one but different city states have different options available to them.

As far as I can see from my sneak preview copy of Immortal Fire (long story) there are no specific Theban options. All non Spartan states get the option for one BG of superior hoplites which would be the sacred band in the case of Thebes

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:50 pm

Greetings

Thinking about Thebans for a moment, Thebans (as opposed to other Boiotians) fought deep at least at and after Delium but I imagine one can replicate that tactically (with a BG behind?). Boiotian armies would normally have more cavalry than many other states and were slightly earlier using specialised light troops than many (see Thucydides re Delium). Some units from particular states eg epilektoi might be drilled in the 4th century.

Using the 'normal' 250 man per base scale a lot of hoplite battles would be difficult to represent - Delium with its 7,000 hoplites per side for example would only be 4 BGs or so for the hoplites. Presumably (no rules yet) you could multiply up the representation but what happens with missile ranges etc?

I wonder if there are dual armed peltasts ...

Time will tell.

Regards

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:07 pm

kustenjaeger wrote:
I wonder if there are dual armed peltasts ... Time will tell.

There are not.

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:22 pm

kustenjaeger wrote: Using the 'normal' 250 man per base scale a lot of hoplite battles would be difficult to represent - Delium with its 7,000 hoplites per side for example would only be 4 BGs or so for the hoplites. Presumably (no rules yet) you could multiply up the representation but what happens with missile ranges etc?

Well the 'normal' scale isn't as such fixed. Because FoG is designed top down and it looks at an army comprising 10-15 battlegroups rather than several battlegroups combined to make an army you would likely have more than 4 BG of hoplites per side and some of light foot and cavalry as well.

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:54 pm

Greetings

hammy wrote:
kustenjaeger wrote: Using the 'normal' 250 man per base scale a lot of hoplite battles would be difficult to represent - Delium with its 7,000 hoplites per side for example would only be 4 BGs or so for the hoplites. Presumably (no rules yet) you could multiply up the representation but what happens with missile ranges etc?
Well the 'normal' scale isn't as such fixed. Because FoG is designed top down and it looks at an army comprising 10-15 battlegroups rather than several battlegroups combined to make an army you would likely have more than 4 BG of hoplites per side and some of light foot and cavalry as well.

Sounds good.

Regards

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:57 pm

Greetings

nikgaukroger wrote:
kustenjaeger wrote:
I wonder if there are dual armed peltasts ... Time will tell.

There are not.

I have to say that's a relief - I wouldn't have wanted to be forced down a dual armed route. Mine will be javelin armed.

Regards

GHGAustin · Post by **GHGAustin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:59 pm

I have a ton of 15mm Greeks already painted (from doing a re-fight of Chaeronaea (sic?) many years ago). I plan to piece together a list soon from the various Greek units detailed in the Rise of Rome book. I mean, hoplites (in Pyhrric list), peltasts, psiloi, and light horse. Should be pretty easy.

kustenjaeger · Post by **kustenjaeger** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:03 pm

Greetings

GHGAustin wrote:I have a ton of 15mm Greeks already painted (from doing a re-fight of Chaeronaea (sic?) many years ago). I plan to piece together a list soon from the various Greek units detailed in the Rise of Rome book. I mean, hoplites (in Pyhrric list), peltasts, psiloi, and light horse. Should be pretty easy.

That's a good idea. When I get my lists and rules (really soon I hope) I'll have a look at that.

Regards