Funky Battlelines and Second Moves

[stevoid]

Hi,

Another one from last night.

A collection of BGs meet all the criteria for a battleline. All manoeuvres in this example take place more than 6MUs from enemy.

A BG on the end of the BL passes a CMT and contracts its two outermost bases. The collection of BGs still meet the criteria for a BL.

Can the BL now make a second move (a simple advance)?

We played yes, but some might argue that the BL hasn't actually made a first move!

Steve

[thefrenchjester]

Hi Steve ,

normally possible as a battle line if it fulfil the conditions for a second simple move allowance bottom of the page 36, see also page 19 the points to note on the CMT paragraph for the first move or manoeuvre;

hope it helps and not put more confusion in minds

regards

thefrenchjester " early Umpire if not primitive"

[rbodleyscott]

Hi,

Another one from last night.

A collection of BGs meet all the criteria for a battleline. All manoeuvres in this example take place more than 6MUs from enemy.

A BG on the end of the BL passes a CMT and contracts its two outermost bases. The collection of BGs still meet the criteria for a BL.

Can the BL now make a second move (a simple advance)?

No. Another point for the FAQ.

[stevoid]

Thanks again Richard, we thought so too.

Hi TFJ,

No the page 19 bit doesn't help in this case, sorry. The CMT in my example was taken by the outermost BG, not the BL and it was performing a move that a BL could not. Therefore, the question is whether a second move applies to the BL given that it hasn't made a first move as a BL.

Steve

[hammy]

Again I think that if you follow the sequence of play this is clearly not allowed.

Once you start moving a BG or BL you must complete the movement of that BG or BL before starting to move the next one or at least that is the way I have always read things.

[stevoid]

Hi Hammy,

Not sure how sequence helps here. A BL exists. A BG at the end of it does a move. The BL still exists, i.e. not formed by the first move. The BL then wants to do a simple advance as a second move.

Richard has indicated no, which is just fine. The problem we had was that it was only through convoluted semantics that the second move seems to be forbidden, i.e. it's not a second move for the entirety of the BL.

Cheers,

Steve

[hammy]

The point is that while your BG is part of a BL after contracting you must complete the movement of that BG before moving on to anything else. The words in the rules may not quite read that way, I will have a look tomorrow but that is the way I have always understood things.

[petedalby]

I don't have my rules with me but I thought a BL could only make a simple advance?

So the contraction would invalidate the second move of the BL but not the BG?

Pete

[thefrenchjester]

Sorry Stevoid , if Richard says NO ! I say NO also and after I return to the circus

thefrenchjester " glutching at straws "

[stevoid]

No worries - we also think NO (we allowed it in the game to err on the side of caution). The point was we didn't think it was clear enough in the rules for this specific example, but maybe that was just us