Austrian Cuirassiers + Arty: What to Do??!!??

[Scrumpy]

Are Cuirassier worth the points ? Didn't see any used at Historicon, and given most cavalry are an one charge weapon they seem a lot of points for 6 packs with arty.

[viperofmilan]

That is my impression as well Scrumpy.

Kevin

[Blathergut]

Well, if any army can afford them, it's probably the Austrians. We'll see how they do next time with Deadtorius tucking them in with his large infantry units. But at 13 points a base for the average drilled dudes, compared to 20pts for the superior French version, they seem a good deal (but you could almost pick up a 4pak of cheap light cavalry for the price of those two bases).

[Scrumpy]

12 Average would be 156 pts, add in a Comp gen & 2 guns = 196 pts for probably a one or two charge weapon...

[KendallB]

Having used a cavalry corps in a tournament I can say that cuirassiers are definitely worth their points.

They are more than one shot weapons as they don't need a CMT to charge if spent or disordered, get a +POA over all cavalry and the bonuses against infantry all make for multiple charges. Kept supported by light cavalry they will make for a very large headache for your opponent.

I probably wouldn't go as far as two sixers with arty but I'd always have two small units.

Like any other unit, it's what you plan to do with it that counts.

[hazelbark]

Are Cuirassier worth the points ? Didn't see any used at Historicon, and given most cavalry are an one charge weapon they seem a lot of points for 6 packs with arty.

Cavarly are not one shot weapons. I think that is a major mistake to believe that. Especially large units, or shock units.

[BrettPT]

Large units of cavalry do of course have the disadvantage of (usually) costing you 1 lost ACV the first time you charge, which is not insignificant.

[deadtorius]

So far we have never figured out the whole ACV thing in our games. When it looks bad enough one of us surrenders. Advantage of playing friendly games

[bahdahbum]

rear unit went ouch!!!

Could you explain .

If there is no space enough , the cavalry cannot go trough and must retreat 3 MU !

[Blathergut]

Dead. was referring to a situation where there was enough room behind and the cavalry then went into a unit in tactical and blew it away as well. Like a domino set. It wasn't quite like your point about not having enough room to position the cavalry.

[bahdahbum]

OK ...ouch for the infantry

[panda2]

So far we have never figured out the whole ACV thing in our games. When it looks bad enough one of us surrenders. Advantage of playing friendly games

In the last game I played, 1809 French v 1809 Austrians, the Austrians fairly quicky got themselves within 1.5 ACV of getting a 30-10 victory when a strong French force trying to work round one flank became disjointed by enfilading artillery fire, leaving it vulnerable to a counterattack. At that point it looked like it was game over, but a good mobile defence by the French meant that it took the Austrians another 4 pairs of turns to get the last unit needed for victory and came close at a couple of points to throwing it away when they pushed on too vigorously. I expect had there been a time limit the French might have managed a losing draw.

Andy D

[Blathergut]

I'll give the section a careful read and see if we can include it next time.

[hazelbark]

We had two games yesterday with Cuirassier that typifies.

1) Two six average veteran with artllery stormed a prepared Russian force. 1 unit charge through Rough. To attack a conscript square with artillery and a divionsal and got repulsed. The 2nd unit int he same charge tried to hit the same square but its width brought into firign range of a large unit with artillery. That Cavarly took liek 6 hits from fire.

2) Second game 2 superior small cuirass with artillery supported by a chassuer first annhilated a russian dragoon and hussar. Then started to roll up the flank of the russians. The cuirass charged a square and were beatn off. But as the shock cav was spent it could still keep charging and eventually the russian flank imploded.

The shock cavalry is powerful against a weakend foe, but like everything in the game doesn't attack someone who isn't softened.

[deadtorius]

but like everything in the game doesn't attack someone who isn't softened.

That is so true. So far I won't even consider assaulting an enemy unit unless they are at least disordered. Suicide run to assault steady enemy. Unless its against cavalry and you have some kind of overwhelming advantage in dice or POA's

[Scrumpy]

The 1805 Austrians on the Danube can have upto 10 Cuirassier, Ave Drilled or Vet, withboth officer & arty attachments. So no easy options for Les Francais there.

[deadtorius]

That sounds like good news for Austria

[hazelbark]

The 1805 Austrians on the Danube can have upto 10 Cuirassier, Ave Drilled or Vet, withboth officer & arty attachments. So no easy options for Les Francais there.

No problem they all surrender at Ulm so you can't use them!

[shadowdragon]

The 1805 Austrians on the Danube can have upto 10 Cuirassier, Ave Drilled or Vet, withboth officer & arty attachments. So no easy options for Les Francais there.

No problem they all surrender at Ulm so you can't use them!

Yes, special rule that the army surrenders after losing just 1 unit.