SE Unit Question

bebro · Post by **bebro** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:08 pm

If I understood it from the "common questions" thread correctly, there's a 30% chance of getting such a unit after every scenario of a campaign (or better at the start of the next one). Is that right, and are there any other requirements?

I'm slowly progressing with my first vanilla campaign, just finished Kiev. Overall I had some decisive and some marginal victories, yet received not a single SE unit so far.

Is this just bad luck?

edit: I know I could save/reload until one shows up, but this looks a bit too exploitish to me.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:16 pm

Most likely it is just bad luck.

El_Condoro · Post by **El_Condoro** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:41 am

I have received 3 so far (2 successively) and I'm just at Sedan. I think you have had bad luck, too. Hopefully, it will even out for you soon.

DrkCon · Post by **DrkCon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:43 am

In a related random thing question...

Do the awards of Heros follow any rhyme or reason? I seem to excell at getting +1 Spotters. Or is it simply the most common hero to get?

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:09 am

DrkCon wrote:Do the awards of Heros follow any rhyme or reason? I seem to excell at getting +1 Spotters. Or is it simply the most common hero to get?

No, attack and defense heroes are more common than others.

HeinzG · Post by **HeinzG** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:15 pm

I seem to get my +1 spotting heroes almost everytime for my arty

Hard to imagine using arty as recon though

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:42 pm

Bebro, I played the whole default Campaign and only got 1 Infantry SE unit till the very end.

Now that was BAD luck...
I now reload till I get a SE unit. Yes, it is exploitish. I don't reload when things go wrong. That's how I play.

IMO this shows again that the system how SE units are awarded is flawed. Who besides people on the forum knows how many SE units you can get and how they are awarded anyways?
There is also the apparently common exploit to always disband the last SE unit to be awarded at the begin of the scenario - free prestige.
I am pretty sure the people who do that also reload till they get a SE unit in the next scenario.

The whole system really cries for being exploited.

I would like to suggest something like a "SE Unit" shop where you can exchange them for "Victory Points".
Loss: 1 VP, Minor: 2 VP, Decisive: 3 VP. Or 0,1,2. You get the idea. A tank would cost more than a SE Infantry unit. Say 5 for Infantry, 7 for a tank or something like that.

DrkCon · Post by **DrkCon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:17 pm

HeinzG wrote:I seem to get my +1 spotting heroes almost everytime for my arty

Hard to imagine using arty as recon though

lol Ayup. Once I got a +1 range and Ive gotten +1 Move a few times, those are great for big stationary guns. +spot.. not so much rofl. If my arty sees it first, things have gone very wrong.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:28 pm

I don't see a problem with exploiting SE units, if you reload a lot, you can exploit everything, not only them.

The player is not supposed to know exact numbers involved in SE unit generation, the point with these units is that they are random. So in different campaign play throughs you will have different SE units, obtained at different points of the campaign, or even not at all. And this might affect your tactics and strategy a little bit.

If you disband your last SE units, you will have one slot less to deploy, and also no guarantee you will get SE unit next time (unless you reload - but that way, as I said, you can exploit anything, SE units are not really special here).

mungocallow · Post by **mungocallow** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:58 pm

Can someone please tell me how i can disband units?, not really part of this topic but i want to ditch some units

DrkCon · Post by **DrkCon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:04 pm

mungocallow wrote:Can someone please tell me how i can disband units?, not really part of this topic but i want to ditch some units

At the beginning of thier turn, hit 'D'. You can also disband them prior to deployment by selecting them and hitting the same key 'D'.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:04 pm

mungocallow wrote:Can someone please tell me how i can disband units?, not really part of this topic but i want to ditch some units

Hi.
Press D
Look into this thread: viewtopic.php?t=27013

Just as a reminder, there's a sticky with most common questions: viewtopic.php?t=27283

But, feel free to ask anything.

DrkCon · Post by **DrkCon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:05 pm

VPaulus wrote:
mungocallow wrote:Can someone please tell me how i can disband units?, not really part of this topic but i want to ditch some units
Hi.
Alt+N
Look into this thread: viewtopic.php?t=27013

Just as a reminder, there's a sticky with most common questions: viewtopic.php?t=27283

But, feel free to ask anything.

o.O Alt-N names them... unless i have some crazy version.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:05 pm

Select the unit you want to disband and then press the "D" hotkey.

Just remember you only get prestige returned when disbanding during the deployment phase. Disbanding units during a scenario does not give any prestige, it just frees up the core slot.

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:07 pm

DrkCon wrote:
o.O Alt-N names them... unless i have some crazy version.

It happens...

mungocallow · Post by **mungocallow** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:07 pm

many thanks

DrkCon · Post by **DrkCon** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:22 pm

VPaulus wrote:
DrkCon wrote:
o.O Alt-N names them... unless i have some crazy version.
It happens...

ehehe, Yes, I know that for sure. I spent 5 mins explaining to a strat game noob how to point your AT gun at planes before realizing I was saying AT and not.. AA. I developed an emergency after I realized it and hung up the phone. Poor guy is probably still smashing his face into the monitor trying to get his towed AT gun to shoot down bombers.

Uhu · Post by **Uhu** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:01 am

...but you get SE units, if you make a DV - right? Or it has not to be a DV?

(reloading a last turn, to make the luck for a SE unit - that's for me the cheating category

)

bebro · Post by **bebro** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:09 am

Uhu wrote:...but you get SE units, if you make a DV - right? Or it has not to be a DV?

As far as I know you don't need a decisive win. There's always a 30% chance.

Uhu · Post by **Uhu** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:23 am

Oh! Well, that's one aspect, why I don't like the actual SE units system. It is not a reward, not a "gift"/support for strategic planning - but a gamble. And it effects well the game balance. It is not the same, if you have 8, or 9 units (more than 10% difference). I would like to see more a reward-, or a buying method SE units system.
I'm still happy, that, there is a workaround, to make it in that way in (custom) campaigns: it is possible to reward the player, after a DV, with a (captured, spezial, or prototype) unit in the next scenario. Of cause, than a plus, modified map has to be created for this, but it's not a big deal.

bebro wrote:
Uhu wrote:...but you get SE units, if you make a DV - right? Or it has not to be a DV?
As far as I know you don't need a decisive win. There's always a 30% chance.