Campaign Graph

a1493799 · Post by **a1493799** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:12 pm

In case someone is interested.

I tried to avoid parallels or even back up going lines. Ardennes to Lake Balaton is the only one.

El_Condoro · Post by **El_Condoro** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:20 pm

Thanks. Very comprehensive. Cheers

VPaulus · Post by **VPaulus** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:22 pm

Nice graph.
Thanks.

Kriegsheld · Post by **Kriegsheld** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:58 pm

That's really helpful. Thanks very much. The designers were certainly creative!

SAS · Post by **SAS** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:10 pm

This is fantastic! thanks a lot

steelwarrior · Post by **steelwarrior** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:56 am

Please include one in the first patch - so i can check it easier in the libary - thanks!

soldier · Post by **soldier** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:34 am

It looks like the sea lion 42 scenario in the middle ends with a marginal victory while continuing to Italy with a defeat, is this correct or am reading it wrong ?

AgentX · Post by **AgentX** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:19 am

soldier wrote:It looks like the sea lion 42 scenario in the middle ends with a marginal victory while continuing to Italy with a defeat, is this correct or am reading it wrong ?

Yep, that's the way it goes. Plus a decisive victory brings you to the US East Coast.

berndN · Post by **berndN** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:53 pm

Can you or some other explain the Barbarossa => Kiev or Barbarossa => Rush Moscow?

I see that when I have a Decisive win I will go to Rush Moscow but why is there a dm label for Barbarossa to Kiev? Is it random when I won a decisive win in Barbarossa if I will play Kiev or Rush Moscow?

Thanks helping a newbie

Iscaran · Post by **Iscaran** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:31 pm

YOU can decide to go Kiev or Rush when you have a decisive win.

On marginal win you always go to kiev.

Therefore you have d+m for kiev and only d for Rush option in the graph.

Longasc · Post by **Longasc** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:03 pm

Nice visualization!

rezan00 · Post by **rezan00** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:44 pm

I gotta ask. which path takes the longest?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:59 pm

Start at 1939 and get a decisive victory 100% of the time, with 1 exception: Moscow 41/Early Moscow.
This will result in the longest path.

Fimconte · Post by **Fimconte** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:20 pm

rezan00 wrote:I gotta ask. which path takes the longest?

To Total Victory:
Poland DV -> Norway -> Low Countries DV -> France DV -> Sea Lion 40 Lose -> Greece -> Barbarossa -> Kiev -> Moscow 41 DV -> Sea Lion 42 -> USA East -> USA Mid-West -> USA West
USA West is 13th Scenario

West Defeated, Marginal VS Soviets:
Poland DV -> Norway -> Low Countries DV -> France DV -> Sea Lion 40 DV -> -> Barbarossa -> Kiev -> Moscow 41 Marginal/Lose -> Stalingrad -> Kursk DV -> Moscow 43 Lose -> Bagration Marginal -> Lake Balaton Marginal/Lose -> Germany East
Germany East is 14th Scenario

Soviets Defeated, Marginal VS The West.
Poland DV -> Norway -> Low Countries DV -> France DV -> Sea Lion 40 Lose -> Greece -> Barbarossa -> Kiev -> Moscow 41 Marginal/Lose -> Stalingrad DV -> Kursk DV-> Moscow 43 DV -> Overlord Marginal -> Ardennes Marginal -> Germany West
Germany West is 15th Scenario
-- Alternatively You can Go: Moscow 41 Decisive -> Sea Lion 42 Lose -> Italy Lose -> Gustav Line -> Overlord Marginal -> Ardennes Marginal -> Germany West
-- Also results in Germany West 15th Scenario

Marginal VS The Allies:
Same Result as Soviets Defeated, All paths equal 15 Scenarios.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:49 pm

14 scenarios to Total Victory if you follow the path I mentioned though.

Poland
Norway
LC
France
Sea Lion
Barb
Kiev
Moscow
Stalingrad
Kursk
Moscow
USA
USA
USA

Fimconte · Post by **Fimconte** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:02 am

How I could've missed that path, I do not know. I have brought dishonour to my country.

...

*commits seppuku*

Molve · Post by **Molve** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:48 am

Kerensky wrote:14 scenarios to Total Victory if you follow the path I mentioned though.

Poland
Norway
LC
France
Sea Lion
Barb
Kiev
Moscow
Stalingrad
Kursk
Moscow
USA
USA
USA

Do note that achieving Decisive Victories everywhere* on the path is probably not optimal. Meaning that the Stalingrad scenario, for instance, leads to Kursk no matter the result**, so you can preserve your units and collect prestige by not even aiming for a DV (you can even go for a loss).

*) except, as noted, avoiding a DV in the Moscow 41 scenario.
**) getting a Stalingrad DV would give you the choice to take Italy next. As you'll be choosing Kursk anyway, this is irrelevant in this case.

To summarize, the same path with the minimal effort needed would be:
Poland: DV
Norway: Loss
LC: DV
France: DV
Sea Lion 40: DV
Barbarossa: MV
Kiev: MV
Moscow 41: Loss (avoid a DV)
Stalingrad: Loss
Kursk: DV
Moscow 43: DV
USA East: MV
USA Mid: MV
USA West: DV

willgamer · Post by **willgamer** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:38 pm

Molve wrote:Do note that achieving Decisive Victories everywhere* on the path is probably not optimal. Meaning that the Stalingrad scenario, for instance, leads to Kursk no matter the result**, so you can preserve your units and collect prestige by not even aiming for a DV (you can even go for a loss).

*) except, as noted, avoiding a DV in the Moscow 41 scenario.
**) getting a Stalingrad DV would give you the choice to take Italy next. As you'll be choosing Kursk anyway, this is irrelevant in this case.

To summarize, the same path with the minimal effort needed would be:
Poland: DV
Norway: Loss
LC: DV
France: DV
Sea Lion 40: DV
Barbarossa: MV
Kiev: MV
Moscow 41: Loss (avoid a DV)
Stalingrad: Loss
Kursk: DV
Moscow 43: DV
USA East: MV
USA Mid: MV
USA West: DV

That's just crazy

I'm guessing minimal effort path (mep) will become part of PzC vocabulary now!?

AgentX · Post by **AgentX** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:31 pm

But, why go for losses? Why not just get the MV on the last turn? I never play to lose on purpose; just doesn't seem right to me. Also, do you get the same Prestige bonus for a loss?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:39 pm

You get less prestige for losing on every scenario except Norway (per turn injection > end bonus) and Stalingrad (all results reward equal here).

This is an unintended side effect of granting prestige injections mid scenario during a campaign, something you'll see much less of and not be able to abuse in the future.