I fear you are right, it is a gamble now, i think if i let Germans rest during winter and not attack, she will grow to powerful and take to much advantage of the summer campaign in 42, maybe i can even loose Russia. If i do make trouble in the winter, i might disturb him just enough so his lines will be difficult to maintain. Russia is vast, and he has entered the lvl 3 supply, if he continues i might be able to use this to my advantage....richardsd wrote:I think you have to be very careful in Russia. It won't take much in terms of a good stoush somewhere for you to start to run out of enough Russian's for later in the war.
I wouldn't be throwing away to many Russian's at this stage.
BATTLE OF GIANTS(Supermax AXIS vs Crazyg ALLIES)No Max
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Some action in the north, fighting in Leningrad

Stalingrad falls, shall be interesting to see how far Max will advance....

After my turn, failed atempt to take out german corp just south of Leningrad, finns are tasting the bittersteel of tanks and russian courage. Otherwise reinforcing Moscow area....

You can see my fighter research, so it is pretty good, if i can build a couple of fighters i can maintain airparity with the germans, i have only seen german fighters so far.

Attack on Portugal is under way, most of my naval units have got 4 experience....really tough ones....when US enters the war, the submenace should be over, when Portugal falls there is no place my bombers can´t reach.....
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There wasn´t much happening this turn, Max retreated some cause of mud and i followed up to maintain contact and keep pressure. The decition to move up and break entrenchment i hope will not haunt me, usually when there is mud like now there is one more fair weather turn in november. Even so if max uses it to attack, he will be in a bad position when severe winter hits. Hopefully i can use it to attack along the front and gain some initiative. This is probably were the rest of the game will be decided.
If i can do a good winter score i might be able to defend properly during summer 42, if not i think we will se Russia knocked out of the war.....

Portugal fell on the second turn, nice 2 new ports to upgrade my CVs and BB, got a very nice antisub upgrade and some other less important ones. UK will start building strat bombers now, also some infantry to support operations in 42.
Also placed and order with the US, Eisenhower, 2 Tacs, 3 Strat bombers to start with. I have very good research in strat bombing with the US should be interesting to see what havoc they can reap on german cities
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As predicted fair weather turn and Max fully uses it to destroy 5 inf and a couple badly damaged. As you can see he is in contact with all russian units now. I chose to stay pretty quite this turn, i replaced the damaged corps and moved up more troops to maintain contact.
This is the last fair weather turn, after this there will only be winter for Max, with any luck severe winter will hit so it benefits me fully, shall be interesting to see what max does now. If he continues to advance, stay fast, reterat. Max is not much of a retreater, so i guess the lates will not be an option.
The russian airpower took heavy damage, that was not according to plan, i don´t understand how that could happen, i have the same research as the gemans and about 10 less in organisation, and to loose 9 steps just like that??? I guess we won´t be seing them for awhile.

It would be so nice if i could split up the army and move down to retake Tambov and make a connection just west of Saratov to cut off the Panzers east. Would present max in a weird position....
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Sure, he has lost a german fighter in France, the italian one is gone as well, most of his aircraft is depleted, that means he has problems replacing them and building infantry to maintain the line. I fully intend to make it harder during the winter. He has got only 3 german fighters left, the problem is that i only have 2 and badly damaged. Right now i have to spend PPs on infantry to support the winter offensive, i do have the siberian troops coming soon and they will help alot.leridano wrote:Certainly german air power in Russia is not spectacular. Your high (at this early phase of Barbarossa) dog fight level plus the winter penalty on axis air units could be a pain for Luftwaffe forces on this 1st severe winter.
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I have seen hits like that before, but not when fighter research have been in the same lvl. Max probably draw the russian fighter to fly a support mission and then after he attacked it directly with another fighter....leridano wrote:How it is possible that you have lost 9 steps of a fighter unit in a single turn? Never saw before a thing like that.
Nonetheless it is a real good hit, almost destroying it....
I don't think you are in danger of losing Russia - Omsk is very hard under the new rules - unless you do the ARM blob!
My concern would still be Moscow. The problem is that if you defend it you will lose a lot of troops and you will then need a very strong western advance to have any chance of reaching Germany.
The Siberian reserves will be key for you - where to attack?
My concern would still be Moscow. The problem is that if you defend it you will lose a lot of troops and you will then need a very strong western advance to have any chance of reaching Germany.
The Siberian reserves will be key for you - where to attack?
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New rules? We are still playing the 1.07 version....or was it different before?richardsd wrote:I don't think you are in danger of losing Russia - Omsk is very hard under the new rules - unless you do the ARM blob!
My concern would still be Moscow. The problem is that if you defend it you will lose a lot of troops and you will then need a very strong western advance to have any chance of reaching Germany.
The Siberian reserves will be key for you - where to attack?
What amazes me is Russias strenght, i have lost an entire army and half the Russian terrain, still make around 110 PPs
I am not sure where to attack yet, you got any good suggestions? What is the reserves again, 1 tank, 1 fighter, 1 bomber and a couple infantry right?
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Ofcourse i am concerned, but it all depends on what happens during winter, don´t think he will be able to take both Moscow and Omsk in the same year....rkr1958 wrote:It seems pretty obvious to me that Max is going for a knockout blow in Russia. It also looks to me that he's made good progress to that aim. Aren't you concerned about his push towards Omsk?
The front line he has is so spread out, there are many angles for me to cause him a great deal of stress....
ah 1.07, ok then Omsk is in danger.
I think you need a serious distraction somewhere outside of Russia - something that he has to respond to.
If I was in his shoes I would just make you fight me in Russia - if he kills enough Russians you will become an irritation rather than a threat - he can do that at Omsk or Moscow, maybe even both
I think you need a serious distraction somewhere outside of Russia - something that he has to respond to.
If I was in his shoes I would just make you fight me in Russia - if he kills enough Russians you will become an irritation rather than a threat - he can do that at Omsk or Moscow, maybe even both
I don't want to be the doomsayer here, but if I were you I would be very concerned by now. The problem is not so much Max's advance, but the casualties you have sustained. I think you are taking them a bit too lightly (losing 5 INF in one November turn is actually a bad blow to the Russians). It does not matter that you still get 110 PPs, your losses were extremely high, and your offensive capabilities are crippled. Don't forget that you also need to improve your tech. You will need a lot of time before you can attack again. The key to your survival is not so much to attack, but to threaten to attack. But to be honest, even that's a hard thing to do. If I were Max, I would not worry about the Russians until Winter 42/43. And I would advance even during the Winter months, as he does now.Crazygunner1 wrote:Ofcourse i am concerned, but it all depends on what happens during winter, don´t think he will be able to take both Moscow and Omsk in the same year....rkr1958 wrote:It seems pretty obvious to me that Max is going for a knockout blow in Russia. It also looks to me that he's made good progress to that aim. Aren't you concerned about his push towards Omsk?
The front line he has is so spread out, there are many angles for me to cause him a great deal of stress....
EDIT: Another thing about your reserves - where do you think you can strike? Think of where they arrive, and then look at the map where you could rail them. There is no city available for a quick and easy strike. Your tanks have reduce movement during winter as well. Before you will be in a position to cause harm, spring is around the corner. And there is little worse for the Russians than being caught pants down (i.e. on the offensive) during Spring '42.
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"Luck favors the bold" they say and surely max has been bold!!!!
In France and Germany there has been winter time for the altest two turns.....But on the Russian front germans is enjoying the sun and clear weather in november 29???
Amazing, so there is another 5 corps destroyed...surely this will be the end of the Russians.....


Max continue further into the russian steps, it seems that he is attempting to take both Moscow and Omsk in 42...

I plug in the wholes in the front, next turn winter will probably arrive, but then again you never know....ha ha
All quite on other fronts....
In France and Germany there has been winter time for the altest two turns.....But on the Russian front germans is enjoying the sun and clear weather in november 29???
Amazing, so there is another 5 corps destroyed...surely this will be the end of the Russians.....


Max continue further into the russian steps, it seems that he is attempting to take both Moscow and Omsk in 42...

I plug in the wholes in the front, next turn winter will probably arrive, but then again you never know....ha ha
All quite on other fronts....
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After Max turn severe winter hits, so Max retreat and form a proper defense line for the winter...

A couple of corps destroyed and gar, sourounded Mech near Tula. Also comander Rundstedt injured, only for one turn though....ha ha my luck continues....

Would have been nice to have some infantry here to deal those pesky Axis minor allies a blow....almost all Gar in Persia and Irak has been sent to Russia, to help out....

This opportunity will Max surely take advantage of, hitting the two capitals at the same time to end the war....i must build a proper defense line here also....

Subs in the atlantic has been doing a very good job....from now on i hope to destroy them completely....i have around 7 strat bombers in total for hunting subs....
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Germans continue to retreat in order, leaving some troops behind....no attempts to free the trapped Mech inf near Tula...

A couple more german corps destroyed and gar, the encircled mech inf also moled down....continue to advance and keep pressure...maybe i can retake Orel and Bryansk....i would like to move south east from here to cut of the germans that have advanced far into Russia, let´s see if that is possible...

Hopefully i can use the siberian reserves to take Tambov....

To bad my strat bombers of the US coast only got lvl 2 antisub, they have not yet been upgraded....but they fly anyway to hunt subs...

Britt antisub is excellent, they will stand for the major part of sub hunting during the game....US will bomb germany...
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At the end of my turn, as you can see Max is forming a proper defense line so my advance would gain me much....so i rather take everyones advance and start forming an infantry wall around Moscow and Omsk to dig in and gain maximum organisation. I fear that 42 will be a very difficult year for the Russians...right now i am prioritizing infantry to cover the line....

Also put 2 infantry to slow down his advance in Caucasus...if i can manage to only loose Leningrad and caucasus in 42....that would be a major victory....
I really need some miracle to last longer here....i have grand plans with the UK and US that will take some effort to counter by the germans but that might not be enough. Any other thoughts???
Your winter counteroffensive results are really excellent since you have almost reached Pskov! and that´s quite a lot for the first russian winter. German lines are now excessively extended so it would be difficult for the axis forces to concentrate their summer 1942 campaign in any point. Axis forces in the Caucausus are extremely weak: I would try to recover some territory there.




