BATTLE OF GIANTS(Supermax AXIS vs Crazyg ALLIES)No Max

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 9:17 am

Hi everyone

I think there is room for one more AAr, especially a potentially great exciting one as this. Yes it is true Supermax return to the arena and boy is he returning.

So far the game has been pretty streamline, attack on Poland, first turn Max railed over a few units to the western front and with the support of Luftwaffe initiated a Blitzkrieg attack on France through the Maginotline the second turn. Since none of my GAR in the Maginotline didn´t have any entrench they were quite easy to take out, i mounted a small counter attack destroyed german INF but casualties were high, lost the french tank. Couple of turns later war was declared on Belgium, i tried filling in the gaps along the broad wide frontline and did a pretty good job but the toll of 1-2 GAR lost each turn meant that France was doomed. France fell in March/April

Brittain sent troops to assist the French, but could little do, most of the troops were shipped across the channel again to protect against a potential Sealion.

Strategic bombing of London started but nothin more than that, Denmark, Holland was taken, but other than that, pretty quite 1940 by the germans. It is clear that Max attentions are to launch a well prepared and heavy punch against the Russians so he has been gathering his strenght.

Crazyg

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 9:38 am

Here we go, Max got an very early start on Barbarossa, May13 that will probably give 2 extra turns of good weather before winter sets in 41. Northern sector nothing surprizing, max ignored the amphibious landing on Tallin and went for capture of Riga instead, no reinforcements to Finland. Normally i would at this time rail in a couple of troops to take out Finland early, but against a Barbarossa like this i need every single unit to defend key objectives like Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad. Max has 2 strategical bombers ready, i think he will use em on Leningrad first when in range, so it is important for me to have some kind of air defense.

By the looks of it, Axis forces are pretty spread out on a broad front, maybe slightly stronger in the north, obviously Moscow will be a target and i simply need to stop him. He will probably strat bomb moscow as well as soon the city is in range.

Before declaration of war i placed out a couple of GAR around Vinitsa and Odessa in order to delay, i was afraid that Max would be in Kiev in 2 turns otherwise and i can´t allow that. Also it will give me more time to set up a potential defense line at the Dnepr river and place leaders along the front. Hopefully this will dealy him 1-2 turns.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 9:46 am

Through out the game max has strat bombed London to the ground, hit the brittish economy hard. Also there hasn´t been a single convoy coming through for the britts. My operations with the brittish as thus far been pretty limited, Irland, Syria, and all the african cities have been captured. It seems i am ahead in fighter tech vs germans, can be usefull since max economy is not that great yet.

Max put up a lot of troops in Sicily and i am pondering a strategy here. I don´t really have any good ones for now. I need to come up with something that will drain as much resources of Max pool as possible to give the Russians a better chance. Any help would be great? I have thought of invading Spain, vichy, bypassing Sicilly and going fo Italy mainland, Balkans. None of them seems very appealing....
In the meantime RN gets valuable experience....

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 10:02 am

I can´t really do any magical stuff here, all i see is grinding it out and hoping to occopy as much resources and units as possible. Maybe invading Greece could be a good answer, that will bound some troops cause he has to protect the oilfields in Rumania.

Dnepr defense line taking place, front units will gain some org and entrenchments. I built research and an INF and GAR. Hopefully i can rail in all other units to the front next turn before max can engage me. I would love to build a couple of more fighters but i need to focus on infantry to start with.

My tanks waiting together with Mech inf at the Dnepr are ready for counter attack if Axis is scattered. I doubt that Max will give me a chance though. Sent a couple of GAR more to delay and repaired some at the front, hopefully this will give the souther germans troops trouble linking up with the units around Vinitsa also letting my mech and inf excape.

zechi · Post by **zechi** » Sat May 14, 2011 10:14 am

Just a suggestion, why don't you first take Sardina with the British? Sardina would give you a good airbase to launch attacks against the Italian mainland, Vichy or Sicily and it is easy to take. You should wait until you get US reinforcements into the Med before launching any large scale attacks against Italy.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 10:25 am

zechi wrote:Just a suggestion, why don't you first take Sardina with the British? Sardina would give you a good airbase to launch attacks against the Italian mainland, Vichy or Sicily and it is easy to take. You should wait until you get US reinforcements into the Med before launching any large scale attacks against Italy.

It is a good suggestion, i fear that it won´t help my Russian friends that much in 41 since i basically have to wait for US to enter the war. I need something on the mainland of Italy, vichy, france or in the balkans. It is a risk i have to take otherwise the Germans will simply have a walk in the park on the russian front.

Crazyg

richardsd · Post by **richardsd** » Sat May 14, 2011 11:50 am

can I suggest a different strategy, or part strategy

I would start to hit his oil production, Italy is a false hope as you aren't actually strong enough.

Bomb his oil everywhere you can, if nothing else it will make him think long term - which will slow him now.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 8:40 pm

richardsd wrote:can I suggest a different strategy, or part strategy

I would start to hit his oil production, Italy is a false hope as you aren't actually strong enough.

Bomb his oil everywhere you can, if nothing else it will make him think long term - which will slow him now.

I think strats are a good suggestion for 41, taking out oilfields will be hard. First of all i only have a couple of more turns on the russian front then Sevastapol will be overrun so i can´t fly sorties from there to Romania. Second choice would be to invade Greece, i probably will take it without any major fuzz but i have to get down strats to that theater from England, that will take awhile. If i get everything there and start bombing he can easily place one/two fighters there to scare me away and prevent major damage upon oilfields.

What i do have in mind is bombing for PP in germany and France, there i have some fighter protection and his economy isn´t that great. Thinks he makes about 110PP a turn now.

Crazyg

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sat May 14, 2011 9:12 pm

Max advance further and take Minsk, when i look at his force it seems obvious that the priority lies here in terms of men and material. In one of his emails he said that i might be surprised of his advances, i don´t know what he means by that, but he has plenty of time to show it. I am concerned that i am in range of luftwaffe, that can cost me plenty, but i need to slow his advance no matter if it costs me some infantry.

To prove that he is not in a rush, the german tanks didn´t move at all last turn in the south. He is actually saving oil in the middle of Barbarossa campaign, that kind of thinking scares me, that he can be so confident of success....
Anyway the 2 units in the south are saved and will move up to join Zukov behind Kiev, the other step 3 mech near the pripet marshes will be railed to safety. I also place 1 tank, 1 mech 1 inf this turn. Buy a lab in general so now i have 3 in total and 3 on air.

In this theater i got some luck, italian and german fighters got bad results leaving them exposed. I simply must move up my CVs and attacked them, to bad that they went below 5 steps, otherwise i could get two hits on them. Montgomery will land on Italy this turn to spread some leadership, i will also move up the fighters in time.

PinkPanzer · Post by **PinkPanzer** » Sat May 14, 2011 11:09 pm

Crazygunner1 wrote: Through out the game max has strat bombed London to the ground, hit the brittish economy hard. Also there hasn´t been a single convoy coming through for the britts. My operations with the brittish as thus far been pretty limited, Irland, Syria, and all the african cities have been captured. It seems i am ahead in fighter tech vs germans, can be usefull since max economy is not that great yet.

Max put up a lot of troops in Sicily and i am pondering a strategy here. I don´t really have any good ones for now. I need to come up with something that will drain as much resources of Max pool as possible to give the Russians a better chance. Any help would be great? I have thought of invading Spain, vichy, bypassing Sicilly and going fo Italy mainland, Balkans. None of them seems very appealing....
In the meantime RN gets valuable experience....

No convoys coming through for the Britts in the summer of 41? Admiral Doenitz must be proud of the success of his Kriegsmarine.

Britain gets almost 50% and the Soviet's get almost 10% of their pp's from convoys.

How big is the Royal Navy and how big do you think the german and italian navies are?

Since the US isn't at war yet and North Africa conquered in 41(congrats) I would take sardinia if it counts towards knocking italy out of the war. I'm not sure?

I'd also use the superior spotting range of a CV to see if supermax left an undefended city in northern italy. IE he moved it to defend sicily. I wonder if supermax learned his lesson about the early knockout of italy in his recent axis aar.

First recon with subs to see if there's italian ships in port.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 12:09 am

When US enters the war, the submenace should be over....

Most of the RN is in the Med so italian fleet is hiding in port. Home fleet consists of 2 BB and 2 DD. I figure the RN won´t do any good in the atlantic anyway so i sent them to the Med. They control the Med pretty easy for now. Kriegsmarine consist of one step 6 BB and 6 subs i think, the DD got sunk during the battle for France. Sardinia is not a part of the 3 cities needed that force italian surrender, so it won´t do me much good exept provide airbase. Landing north of Rome in 41 is difficult, but maybe it is worth a shot....

Thanks for the input

Crazyg

richardsd · Post by **richardsd** » Sun May 15, 2011 1:50 am

I think trying for mainland Italy early is a mistake, sure you divert some effort from Russia, but you will lose everything when the Luftwaffe comes in Winter.

One of my mistakes that I needed to correct was being overly agressive, in the wrong way, early on as the Allies. As the Axis you love beating up on low tech Allies and it meas the late war threat gets lower and lower.

Just my view.

zechi · Post by **zechi** » Sun May 15, 2011 7:46 am

PinkPanzer wrote: I'd also use the superior spotting range of a CV to see if supermax left an undefended city in northern italy. IE he moved it to defend sicily. I wonder if supermax learned his lesson about the early knockout of italy in his recent axis aar.

First recon with subs to see if there's italian ships in port.

Supermax deployed a German STR in Italy, which have a very high spotting range. I fear with the STR he will spot any attempt of landing in Italy.

I agree with richardsd that going for the Italian mainland in 1941 will be surely a disaster if do not get very quickly a city as a foothold.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 8:51 am

richardsd wrote:I think trying for mainland Italy early is a mistake, sure you divert some effort from Russia, but you will lose everything when the Luftwaffe comes in Winter.

One of my mistakes that I needed to correct was being overly agressive, in the wrong way, early on as the Allies. As the Axis you love beating up on low tech Allies and it meas the late war threat gets lower and lower.

Just my view.

I agree with all you said, but i find myself in a position this time, if i don´t act with the brittish they will find themselves fighting alone in this war, accept when US enters ofcourse. But i think i have tought out both a long and short term plan.

Your input is good and you do remind me that i don´t actually have to make progress in 41, but until 43 and that is almost 2 years to go. 41-42 is survival mode.

Crazyg

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 9:03 am

This is still the last turn, when i moved my troops, there were some posts in between. I railed in some extra troops to Pskov, Max will hit this spot first for sure, it is the key to advancing further for the axis so they can maintain a line.

In the south i am hoping that the remainder of my GAR will be a small breach between the Axis forces, so when he advances on Kiev some units will be out of reach. I can then launch a small counter attack and destroy some valuable units only to retreat again after. Let´s see how Max will play it out.

I had no luck with the German fighter but the Italian got destroyed....wow...feels like a MAJOR victory....ha ha

I relize, with all your advice i think landing on the Italian mainland is out of the question. I am just gonna have to grind on Sicilly and put my other long term plan into effect.

richardsd · Post by **richardsd** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:01 am

Well if I was you I would be worried about Moscow, looks to me like Max is setting you up.

You are a good player so I may have this wrong, but from what I see I would expect max to go for maximum 'killing of Russian units' with his Northern Army and a sweep on Moscow from the South.

That said I am still probably in shock from playing Morris' fantastic ARM blob - although its April 43 and he still has 3 lines of Russians to get through to hit Omsk! he will have to return from Russia to beat Allies on mainland France.

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:21 am

richardsd wrote:Well if I was you I would be worried about Moscow, looks to me like Max is setting you up.

You are a good player so I may have this wrong, but from what I see I would expect max to go for maximum 'killing of Russian units' with his Northern Army and a sweep on Moscow from the South.

That said I am still probably in shock from playing Morris' fantastic ARM blob - although its April 43 and he still has 3 lines of Russians to get through to hit Omsk! he will have to return from Russia to beat Allies on mainland France.

Ha ha ha ha

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:30 am

Turn 34. Max continue to advance and put pressure, like a compact avalanche wroring downhill. Max took out 1 inf and 1 mech south of Pskov.

The push on Kiev looks good to me, will be hard to get any good results on German armour and escape without loosing to many troops. I think retreat will be the order of the day on all fronts....

Crazygunner1 · Post by **Crazygunner1** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:44 am

After my turn, as you can see i sent some landingcrafts against cherbourg, i can´t see that many troops around so i might be able to land next turn. The question is would i want to???

Also 2 transports against the mainland, i doubt that these landings will have any real effect but it should be fun to see how Max reacts.

richardsd · Post by **richardsd** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:44 am

Max doesn't appear to have a lot of spare CORP's so the distractions may well slow him down in Russia - although I would guess he is just as likely to let you land - we shall see!