Warfare 2010

[david53]

Well was totally shattered after a 4 hour drive home last night.

Thanks to Dave Ruddock, Paul Johnston, Chris Proudfoot and Andy Kitcher for 4 great games. Apologies if I was off with anyone at any point but I do suffer badly from sleep deprivation when away from home.

Thanks to the organisers for setting up a great competition as usual.

And well done Dave and Ian on your joint 1st place. Dave how did you manage to do something with 12 BG's that I couldn't do with 18?

Catch you all soon.

Rob

Sad to say Rob it was only 11 BGs see you on Sunday for the doubles then.

[david53]

Great event thanks to Stephen Stead(well hard Romans) David Saunders, Paul Johnston and Simon Clarke all games played in a great way.

Thanks to organizers and everyone there.

Dave

[philqw78]

Full results (scores by round and opponent) have been tabulated and are just about to be sent out to Hammy and the BHGS for publication - if someone would kindly tell me how to upload an Excel spreadsheet here, I can put them on this site too. Unlike the R&R, just importing the data will IMV be unreadable as all the columns get stripped out.

The easiest way is: view the sheet, print screen. Save as Jpeg. Upload to photobucket. paste link as [img]

[david53]

although people called Dave seem congenitally unable to grasp the concept

I just can't grasp things either it must be a Dave thing.....

[TimChild]

[/quote]The easiest way is: view the sheet, print screen. Save as Jpeg. Upload to photobucket. paste link as [img][/quote]

I followed you as far as "view the sheet"... Sorry, there's no helping some people!

Tim Child

[timurilenk]

I followed you as far as "view the sheet"... Sorry, there's no helping some people!

Tim Child

I suggest the easiest way is to send the sheet to Phil who seems to know what to do

[timmy1]

Just beware of the 'corrections' that may appear if sent to Phil to post - though the winner will still be a member of MAWS...

[azrael86]

It'd be interesting to see whether the variation in table depth affected results.

Not if you measured it before the game started, like the people I was sitting alongside.

Hmm. So you steppe boys will happily play on 4' instead of arguing for 4'6". Not in my experience.

[timmy1]

I was playing Later Horse Nomad at the weekend on a 6' by 4'6" table and insisted that we mark it down to 4'.

[david53]

It'd be interesting to see whether the variation in table depth affected results.

Not if you measured it before the game started, like the people I was sitting alongside.

Hmm. So you steppe boys will happily play on 4' instead of arguing for 4'6". Not in my experience.

Can't figure out you logic I said we measured it to four feet and you say people did'nt BTW who are the LH boys then? and what were you playing then?

[azrael86]

Not if you measured it before the game started, like the people I was sitting alongside.

Hmm. So you steppe boys will happily play on 4' instead of arguing for 4'6". Not in my experience.

Can't figure out you logic I said we measured it to four feet and you say people did'nt BTW who are the LH boys then? and what were you playing then?

Kofun Nara. Not that the LH and Bw/Swd cav were a problem , but 2 armies I fought almost certainly avoided defeat because of the extra depth. I think the table should be marked at the correct width.
Although, the other side of the skirmisher issue also showed up, if you have 14bg's you can have 6 bg's of knights, lose 4 or 5 of them and if the rest of your army is skirmishers you can run for the hills.

[madaxeman]

I was playing Later Horse Nomad at the weekend on a 6' by 4'6" table and insisted that we mark it down to 4'.

The actual rules say deployment distances are measured from the back of the table...

[TimChild]

Full results have been sent to Martin Wirt and to Phil, so hopefully should go up all over the place soon (and Martin will keep Phil honest .

Cheers,

Tim Child

[azrael86]

I was playing Later Horse Nomad at the weekend on a 6' by 4'6" table and insisted that we mark it down to 4'.

The actual rules say deployment distances are measured from the back of the table...

Indeed. And the ability to manipulate figures accurately at 4' distance is limited.

Well, it seems that EOTD has a SCP balance, albeit most armies in the book can't compete openly.

Foot bow beats Skirm cav
Skirm cav beats Lance cav
Lance cav beats foot bow

whilst
other foot beats foot bow
Elephants beat lancers

Though this is skewed - other foot can't beat skirm cav, and probably can't beat lance cav.

[lawrenceg]

The easiest way is: view the sheet, print screen. Save as Jpeg. Upload to photobucket. paste link as [img]

I followed you as far as "view the sheet"... Sorry, there's no helping some people!

Tim Child

On my PC keyboard there is a key labeled

PrtSc
SysRq

If you press Shift and this key it copies your screen to the clipboard as a picture.

Then you need to paste it into some kind of graphics or photo editing program such as photoshop.

Then you can save it in .jpg format.

Then you need to upload it to a web site such as . http://photobucket.com/

Then you view the picture on the web site and copy the URL (i.e. the text starting "http://..." from the box at the top of your browser.

Then you paste this URL into your message on here between [img]and[/img] tags.

[azrael86]

The easiest way is: view the sheet, print screen. Save as Jpeg. Upload to photobucket. paste link as [img]

I followed you as far as "view the sheet"... Sorry, there's no helping some people!

Tim Child

On my PC keyboard there is a key labeled

PrtSc
SysRq

If you press Shift and this key it copies your screen to the clipboard as a picture.

Then you need to paste it into some kind of graphics or photo editing program such as photoshop.

Then you can save it in .jpg format.

Then you need to upload it to a web site such as . http://photobucket.com/

Then you view the picture on the web site and copy the URL (i.e. the text starting "http://..." from the box at the top of your browser.

Then you paste this URL into your message on here between [img]and[/img] tags.

Lawrence - You realise that Tim will expect a bill of £800 for this?

[dave_r]

Indeed. And the ability to manipulate figures accurately at 4' distance is limited.

Don't understand this point?

Well, it seems that EOTD has a SCP balance, albeit most armies in the book can't compete openly.

<SNIP>

Lance cav beats foot bow

Really? Even if the foot have portable obstacles?

whilst
other foot beats foot bow

Even if the foot bow are armoured, Heavy Weapon, Crossbow?

Elephants beat lancers

Not clear cut at all. In the game tonight my lancers killed two BG's of Elephants, one of them broke in the process.

When you start adding detail, these statements need thought. The game is evolving all the time, which is good.

[TimChild]

I think the table should be marked at the correct width.

For Warfare for as long as I have been involved we have only marked the tables by width, not depth. FWIW, no table is quite 6' wide either, as the underlying tables are 6' long, and then you have to take off the width of half a strip of masking tape on either side.

Not marking the tables at 4' deep is at least in part due to my personal loathing of the artificiality of table edges. Real-life generalship involved making a plan to suit the terrain and the opponent, but very rarely seems to have included coping with impassable cliffs and/or water-features completely surrounding both flanks and the rear of both armies.

There's nothing I can do about the table-widths, because we have to fit the games in on 6' wide tables (and somehow constrain the players in case they set up in opposite corners of 18' wide tables ...), but for depths I can at least leave it to the players to decide between themselves whether to agree to fight on a 4' depth or to use all the green we make available for you.

Tim Child

[TimChild]

Lawrence - You realise that Tim will expect a bill of £800 for this?

No - I will deliver a bill of £800 for reading it.

Tim Child

[azrael86]

Elephants beat lancers

Not clear cut at all. In the game tonight my lancers killed two BG's of Elephants, one of them broke in the process.

Now, that needs looking at. Any examples of lancers charging elephants? I assume not flank or rear. I would suggest that this is very broken.