Cavalry have stopped evading.

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:23 am

Unarmored bow/sword cav who happily evaded from protected impact HF through the first several turns of my game against Claymore have suddenly stopped evading. I haven't downloaded the new patch, and I thought that it wasn't supposed to effect anything anyway.

davouthojo · Post by **davouthojo** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:38 am

I will support iverson's observations - recent game with ianiow, my cavalry were refusing to evade even with a POA disadvantage on impact.

Something definitely broken.

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:46 am

To add more confusion, I ran a test scenario in the editor this morning, and the same type of cav did evade from the same type of foot.

Problem only in multiplayer? Is it a version compatibility issue?

Triarii · Post by **Triarii** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:52 am

I have also seen non-evade of bow armed Sarmatian cav - attacked by phalanx unit.
One instance in last turn played.

Cavalry unit was not in contact with any other units, enemy or friendly, and had clear evade paths.

If it helps game is a current MP game - Triarius vs WolfmanJack (IF).
I am patched to 1.3.4.

There were no other attacks where I would have expected an evade in this round of the game.
I will watch next round of this game carefully.

Morbio · Post by **Morbio** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:04 am

LF skirmishers (poor, unarmoured, slingers) are not evading from better grade LF skirmishers (average, protected, javelins).

I've not implemented 1.34.

I can only assume that perhaps my opponent has implemented it and some of the variable evade code has sneaked out.

This is something that has only recently appeared.

It's my current MP game versus idburrell.

davouthojo · Post by **davouthojo** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:27 am

Any response from Slitherine on this?

There are lots of League and Cup matches starting.....and in my first match my average javelinmen charged poor archers expecting them to evade, and they didn't, resulting in my javelinmen getting chopped up next turn...........

iversonjm · Post by **iversonjm** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:44 pm

davouthojo wrote:Any response from Slitherine on this?

There are lots of League and Cup matches starting.....and in my first match my average javelinmen charged poor archers expecting them to evade, and they didn't, resulting in my javelinmen getting chopped up next turn...........

None I've seen.

deeter · Post by **deeter** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:16 pm

Since the latest unofficial patch, I've noticed that troops won't evade (usually) from similar troop types regardless of the odds. Cav don't evade from cav. LH from LH or LF from LF. Maybe they are experimenting with an alternative to the promised ability to set agression levels?

Deeter

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:43 pm

I've seen this issue with the Swiss unprotected, crossbow, average cavalry in Starter Army (Burgundian vs Swiss) scenario when charged by knights. With a little more experimenting, the crossbow cavalry also do not evade from average pikes or superior knights if charged frontally. They did evade from superior knights when charged in the rear so cavalry evades have not been completely eliminated.

Chris

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:46 pm

As another quick test, I played the Roman-Seleucid Starter army scenario the same way. Poor Seleucid LF with sling did not evade from average, protected, light spear, javelins velites. Something is definitely broken (or maybe an intentional change but not a good one in my view).

Chris

EricS · Post by **EricS** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:00 am

Thank you for reporting this bug. It should be fixed in the next update.

'Compulsory' evading/standing should still be correct in 1.3.4. The bug is that, with certain combinations of attacker and defender, an optional evade decision that should default to 'Evade' wrongly defaults to 'Stand'. Sorry about this.

deeter · Post by **deeter** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:20 pm

Any idea when this will be fixed? All types of competitive games are being effected.

Deeter

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:25 pm

This is fixed in the 1.35 update which is available now. I tested it with my examples in the Burgundian-Swiss starter army scenario and the previous issues no longer occur.

Robin

mceochaidh · Post by **mceochaidh** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:41 pm

Since I have not updated to Version 1.34 yet, should I do this first and then 1.35 or will this occur automatically when I check for updates in FOG? Will updating affect multiplayer games in progress?

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:44 pm

It will grab them one after the other and will not effect ongoing games.