Later Horse Nomad (Mongol After 1266)

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:14 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:
timmy1 wrote:(and a crate of whatever Hammy is drinking if the army lists for another set of rules are complete by then).

If you mean FoG:R that'd be beer for nothing as he isn't involved in those - therefore, please direct the beer at me

I suspect Hammy is still waiting to collect on his bet that he will restrain himself from buying any of the army list books for another Ancient/Medieval rules system.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:01 pm

Nik

:)

If you have the FoG:R army lists ready by then you can certainly have a beer or two. I might even buy one of them.

Hammy's crate is if he wins the bet (he does not buy the DBM 4.0 Army List books within a year of them being published).

Pat

Sorry to hijack your interesting thread with such trivialities as beer and gambling.

Regards
Tim

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:03 pm

Dave (not the other one - my god this is confusing)

It was Pat's LHN idea that I was going to steal as they give me some options, as well as getting an army off the unused list.

Tatar may get a try out in friendlies.

Regards
Tim

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:05 pm

Richard - Spot on.

However I do plan to run round Britcon Benny Hill style, waving a copy of the army lists at Hammy to see if he will buy them... :)

Regards
Tim

phlewis · Post by **phlewis** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:32 am

I would consider trying to find a way to get a TC up to an IC and or bulking up to a 12th BG.

I tried your suggestion and I think it is a case of either the IC or the 12th BG.

What I came up with was:

1 IC
2 TC
4x4 Best Equiped Cavalry Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
7x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Swordman
11 BGs

OR

3 TC
4x4 Best Equiped Cavalry Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
8x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
12 BGs

Pat Lewis
Omaha NE[/quote]

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:29 am

Can you not get some unprotected superior drilled cavalry? Saves 24pts a BG. As good as armoured if you use it for the right things.

david53 · Post by **david53** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:35 am

philqw78 wrote:Can you not get some unprotected superior drilled cavalry? Saves 24pts a BG. As good as armoured if you use it for the right things.

The right thing being chasing LH around the table, but this being in one rank is a pain not as much as being hit on at 3s in two ranks. Being four bases wide they will still recieve 4 hits from 2 BGs of LH to their front, I know they are superior but....

I have used them before and IMO I would rather use the points to upgrade them but thats just my impresssion maybe other people can get them to work....

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:49 am

david53 wrote:I have used them before and IMO I would rather use the points to upgrade them but thats just my impresssion maybe other people can get them to work....

Perhaps you will find out on Monday?

ethan · Post by **ethan** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:52 pm

I would downgrade some of the LH to average if you needed some points. I can see some Super LH being quite handy, but you can get away with some average. IMO it is not the shooting bonus of superior that is worth the AP, it is the impact/melee advantage against other LH.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:54 pm

ethan wrote:I would downgrade some of the LH to average if you needed some points. I can see some Super LH being quite handy, but you can get away with some average. IMO it is not the shooting bonus of superior that is worth the AP, it is the impact/melee advantage against other LH.

Its that they don't die after losing 2 bases from 4 that is the biggest advantage

david53 · Post by **david53** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:33 pm

philqw78 wrote:
david53 wrote:I have used them before and IMO I would rather use the points to upgrade them but thats just my impresssion maybe other people can get them to work....
Perhaps you will find out on Monday?

Good look forward to it.

david53 · Post by **david53** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:36 pm

ethan wrote:I would downgrade some of the LH to average if you needed some points. I can see some Super LH being quite handy, but you can get away with some average. IMO it is not the shooting bonus of superior that is worth the AP, it is the impact/melee advantage against other LH.

If your taking an IC I would downgrade your LH to average as they will gain +2 from your IC againist shooting and you should'nt be fighting with them till your at an advantage in combat.

Cynical · Post by **Cynical** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:59 pm

phlewis wrote: 3 TC
4x4 Best Equiped Cavalry Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
8x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
12 BGs

I would use this option as I think an IC is a waste when every BG is Superior.

Definitely keep the LH superior, it's more fun that way

david53 · Post by **david53** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:28 pm

Cynical wrote:
phlewis wrote: 3 TC
4x4 Best Equiped Cavalry Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
8x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Swordsman
12 BGs
I would use this option as I think an IC is a waste when every BG is Superior.

Definitely keep the LH superior, it's more fun that way

Why is it more fun?

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:22 pm

david53 wrote:
Cynical wrote: I would use this option as I think an IC is a waste when every BG is Superior.
Definitely keep the LH superior, it's more fun that way
Why is it more fun?

Because then you can engage in LH lottery fights of course.

phlewis · Post by **phlewis** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:05 am

Thanks for the suggestions.

Pat Lewis
Omaha NE

lonehorseman · Post by **lonehorseman** » Tue May 04, 2010 11:40 am

Correct me if I am wrong....but...
at 798 Points I manage to get

1xIC
2xTC
8x4 LH Unprot/Drilled/Sup./Bow/Swordsmen
4x4 Cv Armoured/Drilled/Sup./Bow/Swordsmen
1x Fortified Camp

Now this is just playing with point values so if in fact you cannot have something here then just chuck my theory out completely. I would take the IC just for the command range he brings and that lovely +2...but thats just me personally and I'm still a noob

Duane

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue May 04, 2010 11:42 am

80
70
384
304
24
=862

lonehorseman · Post by **lonehorseman** » Tue May 04, 2010 12:07 pm

hmmmf then the list generator is broken.....AGAIN :O I must be screwing it up somehow....where do I get the official one again?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue May 04, 2010 12:12 pm

The error must be with the superior LH. If tehy were average the answer would be 798