Later Horse Nomad (Mongol After 1266)

phlewis · Post by **phlewis** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:51 pm

I am putting together a Chagatai Mongol list under the Later Horse Nomad list and would appreciate comments on its usability.

3 Troop Commanders
5x4 Best Equiped Cav Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Sword
2x4 Cavalry Protected Sup Drilled Bow Sword
4x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Sword

This gives me 11 bgs at 797 points.

I ended up with 3 TCs so I could bulk up the bg count. The armoured cavalry are the hammer. I tried to make it as big as I could without making the army too brittle. The protected cavalry are there as a compromise. I had points left over after buying the armoured cavalry and the light horse but not enough for another bg of light horse so I upgraded two of the light horse to protected cavalry. They give me a couple more bgs that can be used in melee against heavily armoured knights and a bit of extra threat against light horse.

Pat Lewis

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:06 pm

Pat

Welcome.

You may want to look at the thread below. In it two of the UKs experts on such armies provided their view on my Tatar list which started in a manner very similar to what you have above. That said I have yet to try it on the table but will do so soon.

viewtopic.php?t=16185

Regards
Tim

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:53 pm

timmy1 wrote:Pat

Welcome.

You may want to look at the thread below. In it two of the UKs experts on such armies provided their view on my Tatar list
Tim

Calling yourself an expert now Tim. Well done on the (self) promotion.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:08 pm

Experts are Dave and Graham - would never claim to be an expert on FoG - different matter on Cider.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:11 pm

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:09 pm

Experts are Dave

Has Dave Redhead just been promoted?

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:12 am

Relative to me he is an expert :)

david53 · Post by **david53** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:22 am

dave_r wrote:
Experts are Dave
Has Dave Redhead just been promoted?

Come come Dave theres room enough for you as well

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:28 am

What bothers me is that Tim considered Graham an expert. The man that wrote Blood and Gold. Which means he has never seen a horse.

grahambriggs · Post by **grahambriggs** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:24 am

philqw78 wrote:What bothers me is that Tim considered Graham an expert. The man that wrote Blood and Gold. Which means he has never seen a horse.

It seems a very rash comment on his behalf...

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:24 pm

OK, I take it back. :)

Pat - see the thread by people who know more about FoG than I do (even if they know nothing about LH - which I doubt).

I hope that this placates Dave, Graham and Phil... :)

shadowdragon · Post by **shadowdragon** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:47 pm

timmy1 wrote:OK, I take it back.

Pat - see the thread by people who know more about FoG than I do (even if they know nothing about LH - which I doubt).

I hope that this placates Dave, Graham and Phil...

I guess hopes are made to be dashed. Should we take odds on the chance of successful placating?

david53 · Post by **david53** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:10 pm

timmy1 wrote:OK, I take it back.

Pat - see the thread by people who know more about FoG than I do (even if they know nothing about LH - which I doubt).

I hope that this placates Dave, Graham and Phil...

Sadly I do know how to handle light horse?

phlewis · Post by **phlewis** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:16 am

I did read the Tatar thread before posting my proposed list.

Protected Bow Cavalry should be Superior and no more than two bgs. Check.
Cavalry should be drilled for enhanced manueverability. Check.

In fact everything in the list is drilled, superior, and swordsmen.

Tradeoffs in my list as designed are 5 bgs of Armored Cavalry, only 3 TC and only 4 bgs of LH.

Pat Lewis
Omaha, NE

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:32 am

timmy1 wrote:OK, I take it back.

Pat - see the thread by people who know more about FoG than I do (even if they know nothing about LH - which I doubt).

I hope that this placates Dave, Graham and Phil...

Is this Dave the 'Pretender', or Dave 'Skilurus' aka 'the Bridesmaid'. Also: There's no placating Graham Evans, I know this through personal experience; but I'm sure if you buy Graham Briggs a cream cake he will be your friend and misquoted adivisor for life (just don't let him hug you); and, well, just buy me a beer (or cider), then you can say anything you like about me.

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:10 pm

phlewis wrote:I am putting together a Chagatai Mongol list under the Later Horse Nomad list and would appreciate comments on its usability.

3 Troop Commanders
5x4 Best Equiped Cav Armoured Sup Drilled Bow Sword
2x4 Cavalry Protected Sup Drilled Bow Sword
4x4 Light Horse Unprotected Sup Drilled Bow Sword

I would say you need to deploy well and hit fast with this list. In spite of all your shooting, with only a TC you will have some disruptions that will keepyour TCs busy.

A fast moving enemy could really pressure you and you'd have to commit to fight with the Best Equipped sooner than you might want to.

Looks like it would be fun. But I would think through deployment a lot.

I would consider trying to find a way to get a TC up to an IC and or bulking up to a 12th BG.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:23 pm

Pat

Good advice from Dan H.

I would not do the list they way you have with the Prot Cv but I do like the idea and think it is even better than my Tatar idea. I will give it a play. Thank you for pointing out a list I had not even considered.

I may even try and use it at Britcon just to remove an army from the never tried in a comp list, unless you beat me to it.

Regards
Tim

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:26 pm

Phil

God willing I will be at Britcon with a Beer for you, cream bun for Mr Briggs (and a crate of whatever Hammy is drinking if the army lists for another set of rules are complete by then). :)

Mr Evans can remain unplacatable...

Regards
Tim

david53 · Post by **david53** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:12 am

timmy1 wrote:Pat

Good advice from Dan H.

I would not do the list they way you have with the Prot Cv but I do like the idea and think it is even better than my Tatar idea. I will give it a play. Thank you for pointing out a list I had not even considered.

I may even try and use it at Britcon just to remove an army from the never tried in a comp list, unless you beat me to it.

Regards
Tim

Sadly I've used the Tatar in the York round of the Northern Doubles last year, and good they were too. But not brave enough to use protected cavalry.

Dave (not the other one)

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:33 am

timmy1 wrote:(and a crate of whatever Hammy is drinking if the army lists for another set of rules are complete by then).

If you mean FoG:R that'd be beer for nothing as he isn't involved in those - therefore, please direct the beer at me

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