Elephant proof mounted

Skythian · Post by **Skythian** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:54 pm

We recently played a game with Ghaznavids vs mamelukes and we had some questions on "elephant proff" horses. I was unable to find where any list had them, is this a planned part of the rules or do some lists cover it?

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:13 pm

Please explain what you mean. The impact of elephants on horse is already greater for the opponents of the nellies...

Skythian · Post by **Skythian** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:14 pm

In Warrior, 7th ED WRG and others, some countries/armies had elephant proof horses, i.e they were trained to either work with or fight against them, Classical Indians come readily to mind. Some countries/armies had the same for camel proofing their forces. I did not see that, though I have to admit that I have not read every list.

My question stems from "NOT FINDING" anything when looking at the Ghaznavid list and others since they have elephants as a troop type along with mounted. Are there any "elephant proof' mounted forces?

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:18 pm

Not that I have seen.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:05 pm

Skythian wrote:In Warrior, 7th ED WRG and others, some countries/armies had elephant proof horses, i.e they were trained to either work with or fight against them, Classical Indians come readily to mind. Some countries/armies had the same for camel proofing their forces. I did not see that, though I have to admit that I have not read every list.

My question stems from "NOT FINDING" anything when looking at the Ghaznavid list and others since they have elephants as a troop type along with mounted. Are there any "elephant proof' mounted forces?

There is no need for "elephant proofing" of friendly mounted. Provided that their battle group does not have elephants on both sides of it, only 2 bases will be in range of the elephants to be disordered. This is less than 3 so no combat dice are lost.

We were rather pleased with this simple way of making elephants have more effect on enemies than on friends, as it saved a whole lot of possibly controversial list exceptions, extra points costs or demands for "freebies" to be paid for etc etc.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:05 pm

Unless you plan on keeping your elephants immediately behind your cavalry BGs, it doesn't matter. Say, for example, you have a BG of 4 cavalry fighting next to a BG of elephants:

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Only two bases are disordered by the elephants, so you would not lose any combat dice.

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:06 pm

Great minds post alike

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:26 pm

Glad you pointed that out, I have always kept my Selucid cav away from my elephants since I was afraid of losing dice. the things you learn by reading

Polkovnik · Post by **Polkovnik** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:14 am

The friendly cavalry would have a -1 on CMTs though if they are next to the elephants. Worth remembering.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:49 am

Why? They haven't lost to elephants?

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:50 am

They are disordered and we are talking about CMT Dave, not CT. Dont stand your lancers next to elephants, they are more likely to charge

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:51 am

CMT...

kevinj · Post by **kevinj** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:52 am

Dont stand your lancers next to elephants, they are more likely to charge

Well, it gets them away from the big nasty grey things...

kdonovan · Post by **kdonovan** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:57 pm

One of the strange effects of the CMT -1 is that shock cavalry next to friendly elephants or camels are more likely to charge without orders - sort of odd, maybe they will do anything to get away from those smelly beasts. Mainly affects Hellenistic armies, Rajputs and maybe some Arabs (for lancers & camels).
Kevin

spikemesq · Post by **spikemesq** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:39 pm

Taking a moment to reflect on Kevin Donovan being a "peasant" in the realm of Field of Glory.

As you were.

Spike

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:12 pm

The posts number, and hence the picture, doesn't seem to change anymore. No idea why. So now we're a caste society.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:00 pm

That's a shame. Reaching 1000 got me a nice new picture

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:13 pm

My numbers seem to still increase, my prior post was 1067

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:26 pm

So does mine... pretty sure it was stuck on the same for days... someone asked me about it too. How odd.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:46 pm

peterrjohnston wrote:So does mine... pretty sure it was stuck on the same for days... someone asked me about it too. How odd.

All your previous posts get updated to the current post number, so if you look at two of your consecutive posts it looks as if the number hasn't changed, but it has. Spooky, eh?