Commanders in combat.

jamespcrowley · Post by **jamespcrowley** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:41 am

This statement appears in Help:

To support a friendly battle group in combat a commander needs to be with a battle group or adjacent to it.

Does a commander add any PoAs? I can't see any mention of this in the charts.

Presumably this is a reference to cohesion, rally and complex move tests which are the only areas that commanders influence BGs?

In cohesion testing does a BG get an additional +1 for being adjacent to a commander as well as the +1 for being in command range?

This, also from Help:

The closer a battle group is to a commander the more supported it will feel.

Is there a quantifiable advantage to a BG being two hexes away from a commander, rather than the maximum distance (three from a troop, five from a field and eight from an inspired)

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:09 pm

The unit the general is with gets a quality increase for re-roll purposes.

It and adjacent units are in command radius. The command radius is reduced when the general is in combat - it is not an additional bonus.

If you are in command range there is no additional benefit to being closer (as far as i know!)

jamespcrowley · Post by **jamespcrowley** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:09 pm

I'm probably being incredibly thick here but I'm finding it difficult to get a coherent view of exactly how the mechanics of combat work. I know it is not absolutely necessary to know this in order to play but I feel that the help files and the onscreen information are a bit mis-matched.

The Help files on Attacks deals in % with no reference to re-rolls, whereas the verbose summary deals in dice rolls (and only the last section is visible for more than a few seconds)

I can't speak for anyone else but I do feel that an explanation of the die-rolls, re-rolls etc would be extremely useful. Also, I was not aware of any of the points that you raised in you post; they are not documented AFAIK.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:15 pm

The documentation is all by the developer, HexWar, so I'll ask them to add some more combat detail in an advanced section if it is not there alerady.

arsan · Post by **arsan** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:54 pm

iainmcneil wrote:The unit the general is with gets a quality increase for re-roll purposes.

It and adjacent units are in command radius. The command radius is reduced when the general is in combat - it is not an additional bonus.

I thought i've got the rules (more or less) but now i'm really confused!

Reduced command radius for generals in combat?? special re-rolls for generals units?? its this somewhere on the PC gamerules??
i've certainly haven't seen any reference to this before...

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:41 pm

iainmcneil wrote:The unit the general is with gets a quality increase for re-roll purposes.

It and adjacent units are in command radius. The command radius is reduced when the general is in combat - it is not an additional bonus.

If you are in command range there is no additional benefit to being closer (as far as i know!)

I assume the unit "the general is with" means the BG which includes the general, not one he is adjacent to and hence which benefits from his bonus for Cohesion Tests.

I assume the reduction in command radius is only if the BG which includes the general is in combat with an adjacent enemy BG, not when he is adjacent to a BG which is in combat. (The TT rules where a commander is not permanently attached to a BG, and where he has a separate decision about whether to fight in the front rank of that BG when it is in combat, seem much more elegant than the PC version although I can see where it would have been a challenge to handle this simply in the PC game UI.)

Chris

petergarnett · Post by **petergarnett** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:10 am

I don't think combat rerolls are related to commanders. The BG quality determines the rerolls - so a superior rerolls any '1's & an elite any '1's & '2's I think. If you have the complex melee results switched on you can see this in the format, for say 4 hits being rolled for, 5, 3, 1r 3, 4 where the 1 got re-rolled to a 3.

Sorry if I've misintrepreted any of this.

76mm · Post by **76mm** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:50 am

petergarnett wrote:Sorry if I've misintrepreted any of this.

Heh, no need to apologize, you'd think all of this would be explained in the manual...

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:27 am

petergarnett wrote:I don't think combat rerolls are related to commanders. The BG quality determines the rerolls - so a superior rerolls any '1's & an elite any '1's & '2's I think. If you have the complex melee results switched on you can see this in the format, for say 4 hits being rolled for, 5, 3, 1r 3, 4 where the 1 got re-rolled to a 3.

Sorry if I've misintrepreted any of this.

BGs includng a commander will re-roll as one grade higher, e.g. a superior BG including a commander would re-roll 1s and 2s for combat only assuming it is consistent with the TT rules..

Chris