WHY ?

zeitoun · Post by **zeitoun** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:59 pm

In a JAP, a BG of CV purse and stop at the edge of a terrain that severly desord him. In this terrain there is a BG of MF offensive Spear. During the next turn the BG of MF charge the CV that cannot evade for good reason. After impact and mélée phase, the CV cannot break of because MF are not Steady FOOT in the difficult terrain.

Is it right ?
Is it logic ?

Zeitoun, "french man into the FOG"

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:12 pm

Yes. Although, why would you want to break off?

- You will have more dice (your opponent is disrupted - losing 1 dice in 3)
- You will count your sword (spearmen not being steady)
- Your opponent has a minus for all CT's for being disrupted
- If you have better armour you are at + in melee

Sounds like a good situation to me!

zeitoun · Post by **zeitoun** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:19 pm

Sounds like a good situation to me!

in fact it can be a good situation only if you "win" the impact.

in this situation lost impact , loose 1 base , go disrupted. so in mélé 2 Dices VS 4 à +

Is not so really good

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:23 pm

How on earth did you lost the impact when your are at ++?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:27 pm

dave_r wrote:How on earth did you lost the impact when your are at ++?

It depends what the cavalry are Dave. Bow or light spear cavalry would only be at +

How many times have you won impacts when you are hit in the flank ?

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:28 pm

If they were pursing that means they have routed another BG - meaning it is very likely they are shock troops.

Even if they were only lt spear they would still be at plus.

How many times have you won impacts when you are hit in the flank?

Not as often as you!

zeitoun · Post by **zeitoun** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:30 pm

The Cv are Bow , and they are at - in the impatc.
Off spear in two rank +
cv no positive poa . The MF are in difficult terrain .

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:48 pm

zeitoun wrote:The Cv are Bow , and they are at - in the impatc.
Off spear in two rank +
cv no positive poa . The MF are in difficult terrain .

Good point, the spear will get a POA so the fight would be even.

Mounted get a POA against medium if the mounted are in the open. If you check the glossary you will find that it is the terrain that the troops claiming the POA are in that counts.

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:59 pm

Ah. So you worked out the factors incorrectly

I presume this would have made a fairly large difference.

zeitoun · Post by **zeitoun** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:17 pm

shame on me

Meaculpa,

so if understand.

CV in open + for fighting Medium foot
Medium + for the Spear.

So impact at no PAO

Thanks for this clarification.

Zeitoun "shame on french men"

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:43 pm

Regardless of the POA, MF in difficult are disordered so are not STEADY.

Therefore the cavalry cannot break off, whatever the cohesion state of the MF. They could get stuck in a disadvantageous melee, e.g. 4 average protected bow sword cavalry versus 8 MF armoured superior offensive spear.

rogerg · Post by **rogerg** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:35 pm

The moral of this story being: look where you might end up before you charge.

History offers several examples of cavalry charging something that looked easy and then pusuing into problems.