Generals and movement

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:09 pm

had a situation in our last game I was not sure about. Moved my general with my elephants in the opposing JAP. During my movement phase I tried a difficult manouver with the elephants who rolled an 11 so no need for the general to use his influence on them. Since he did not modify the die roll could he have just moved off on his own? I had put him with the elephants to use his modifier for the difficult move die roll in the first place.
I left him there but was wondering since I had contemplated moving him off to another unit at the time to try and get a second move out of them during my next turn.

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:18 pm

You would need to declare if his modifier is being used or not BEFORE you roll.
Note you can take the +1 for being within range then move. If you take the +2 for range and attached (not an IC) even if you then don't need it on the roll you are stuck with the BG until the next JAP. (All My Opinions Mind You) NEW SHORTHAND : AMOMY

Gino
SMAC

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:20 am

If the general is with the BG when it moves then he has to move with it. If you dont want to move the general with the BG then move the general first.

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:24 am

Not sure if we have done this wrong or not but we have played that a BG can move away and leave a general where he is.
Am I missing something that would forbid this?

The issue is if you declare that you are using the +1 modifier for being attached to the BG on the CMT roll (before you roll) then you must stay with the BG. If you only use the + for being in range and not the +1 for being attached then the general can choose to move with the BG or not.

Gino
SMAC

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:18 am

A general can leave or join a battle group at anytime he wants. You have to have him move with the battle group for a double move and I guess if you use your modifier he has to stay put too.
I was just happy the elephants managed 180 degree turn without need of the general, guess all those night classes paid off that day

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:29 am

On page 43, 5th bullet point in Points to note on CMT:
If a commander is with a battle group when it takes a CMT he must remain with the BG for the rest of the phase.

So you need to move the general before making the CMT if you dont want to move with the BG.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:28 am

And the position of the general at the start of the movement phase is what counts for CMT

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:45 pm

ottomanmjm wrote:On page 43, 5th bullet point in Points to note on CMT:
If a commander is with a battle group when it takes a CMT he must remain with the BG for the rest of the phase.

So you need to move the general before making the CMT if you dont want to move with the BG.

Correct

kal5056 · Post by **kal5056** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:43 pm

ottomanmjm wrote:On page 43, 5th bullet point in Points to note on CMT:
If a commander is with a battle group when it takes a CMT he must remain with the BG for the rest of the phase.

So you need to move the general before making the CMT if you dont want to move with the BG.

Surely this means "only if his modifier for being attached to the BG is used". Doesn't it? If not what is the Logic?
Gino
SMAC

Ghaznavid · Post by **Ghaznavid** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:16 am

kal5056 wrote:
ottomanmjm wrote:On page 43, 5th bullet point in Points to note on CMT:
If a commander is with a battle group when it takes a CMT he must remain with the BG for the rest of the phase.

So you need to move the general before making the CMT if you dont want to move with the BG.
Surely this means "only if his modifier for being attached to the BG is used". Doesn't it? If not what is the Logic?

Why should it mean anything then what's clearly stated? It simply keeps things straight. If you do it otherwise you would need to declare before the roll if you want to use the commander (i.e. his bonus). Naturally that would result in people to 'forget' this declaration (genuinly for some, less so for others). Then after the roll just fails to suffice they would count the commander anyway as he is 'obviously with the BG' (if the roll succeeds without requiring the commanders bonus OTOH ...). I've seen this happen way to often in 6th. It's a good thing it's not possible in FoG.

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:41 am

Ghaznavid wrote:
kal5056 wrote:
ottomanmjm wrote:On page 43, 5th bullet point in Points to note on CMT:
If a commander is with a battle group when it takes a CMT he must remain with the BG for the rest of the phase.

So you need to move the general before making the CMT if you dont want to move with the BG.
Surely this means "only if his modifier for being attached to the BG is used". Doesn't it? If not what is the Logic?
Why should it mean anything then what's clearly stated? It simply keeps things straight. [...]

I agree. If you don't want your General moves with a BG and you want only +1 for General in command range, you can move your General before you start BG's move.