Pike and Shot sequel

[A Human Being]

Do you think a Pike and Shot sequel is possible in the coming years? Or something like what Field of Glory: Empires was, being able to have battles in Field of Glory 2.

[SnuggleBunnies]

You're not likely to get any sort of official answer here. Richard's response to these queries before has basically been - maybe, who knows what the future will bring? But he is quite busy at the moment working on Field of Glory II DLCs, of which I am guessing there will be three more.

[w_michael]

I don't think that P&S has enough of a market to justify the investment. Just think though that FOG2 is standing on the shoulders of P&S, since P&S was the trailblazer. P&S is still the best simulation of that era.

[SnuggleBunnies]

Yes, Field of Glory II is a more polished game at this point (mirror matches, the army list and preview system, graphics quality, balancing to an extent) but Pike and Shot remains my favorite game because it's still mechanically just as sound, is the most interesting era to me, and there's really nothing else like it.

[A Human Being]

Yes, I don't think I would have official answers here, because it doesn't make commercial sense to ask any question. But as you said, even though the focus is on DLCs and it is more polished in many ways, it is just a personal wish to really want the same for P&S. Who knows in the future, because I do not believe FoGII will extend until that time.

But I think it is quite possible to have a Fields of Glory: Empires in the Age of P&S, than a P&S II itself, but I would find it very good to have the same option of doing your battles in P&S, while the campaign would be in this other game.

[Athos1660]

We are very fortunate to have P&S !

That said, I wouldn't totally hate a P&S2 using all the nice features of FoG2

(...) because I do not believe FoGII will extend until that time.

I think we can say with certainty that FoG2 won't go beyond ca. 1500.

But I think it is quite possible to have a Fields of Glory: Empires in the Age of P&S, than a P&S II itself, but I would find it very good to have the same option of doing your battles in P&S, while the campaign would be in this other game.

You might have more answers/opinions about that on the forums of Fields of Glory: Empires (whose devs are not the same as for FoG2/P&S, as you certainly know).

[w_michael]

I own AGEOD's English Civil War and Thirty Years' War campaign games. They have already done a lot of the research, and Slitherine has a lot of graphics and army lists, so an Empires game would not be as much work as starting from scratch.

[A Human Being]

I own AGEOD's English Civil War and Thirty Years' War campaign games. They have already done a lot of the research, and Slitherine has a lot of graphics and army lists, so an Empires game would not be as much work as starting from scratch.

The Pike and Shot campaign mode, with a map of Europe, 1 turn per year, starting in 1500 (around) with refined economy and administration mechanisms, would already be excellent.

[Athos1660]

I've always found it frustrating, not to be able to actually fight the battles in EUIV, being partial to tactics.
Combining FoGII and FOGE was a great idea.
It would be definitely nice to see it applied to P&S timeframe.

[w_michael]

I own AGEOD's English Civil War and Thirty Years' War campaign games. They have already done a lot of the research, and Slitherine has a lot of graphics and army lists, so an Empires game would not be as much work as starting from scratch.

The Pike and Shot campaign mode, with a map of Europe, 1 turn per year, starting in 1500 (around) with refined economy and administration mechanisms, would already be excellent.

A 200-year or so campaign starting at 1499 AD would be fantastic, with the map covering all of the European nations with army lists. I would pay extra for DLC with smaller maps covering the ECW, 30YW, 80YW, Italian Wars etc.

[KiwiWarlord]

I have played many a Pike & Shot ( Renaissance ) game on the wargames table using model soldiers and various Rule Sets, including RBS's Field of Glory Renaissance, and find P&S, as it is now, just a brilliant rendition of tabletop gaming. I have not stopped playing it since its release.
The only thing that I think would improve the game is to have Generals in the same manner as Sengoku Jidai.

[w_michael]

The only thing that I think would improve the game is to have Generals in the same manner as Sengoku Jidai.

I'm not sure it would add much to European warfare of that era. Generals didn't challenge their opponent to single, mortal combat. The armies were much smaller with only a handful of generals compared to Japanese armies. I guess that it would give an incentive to keep the troops closer together and in command control. There is something to be said for that in this period of linear warfare.

[SnuggleBunnies]

Cronos has created a generals mod. Dueling is not a feature of course, but otherwise it is similar to how generals work in FoGII.

[AlexDetrojan]

I'm one of the few people here, who thinks that a P&S 2(or whatever you want to call it)is already in development. Yes, a boatload of resources are being poured into the new DLC's for FOG2, but from watching and listening to thoughts being dropped on the community forums, I'd put my money on Byzantine Games already well down the road on developing this game concept. I mean, Slitherine would be blind not to have noticed what dedicated modders have done with P&S. To not see the potential of a P&S 2 from 1700-1800 and beyond would be beyond understanding. The larger question is do they go with the new FOG2 look or stick with the P&S original(and to my mind, superior look)of P&S original? We will see.

[SnuggleBunnies]

Personally I'm skeptical. I think it's one thing at a time. Did Pike and Shot even sell well enough to justify a sequel? I love it immoderately, but the subject sadly remains quite niche.

[StuccoFresco]

I own AGEOD's English Civil War and Thirty Years' War campaign games. They have already done a lot of the research, and Slitherine has a lot of graphics and army lists, so an Empires game would not be as much work as starting from scratch.

The Pike and Shot campaign mode, with a map of Europe, 1 turn per year, starting in 1500 (around) with refined economy and administration mechanisms, would already be excellent.

A 200-year or so campaign starting at 1499 AD would be fantastic, with the map covering all of the European nations with army lists. I would pay extra for DLC with smaller maps covering the ECW, 30YW, 80YW, Italian Wars etc.

That would be awesome, but I have little hope in it.

[Athos1660]

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[Athos1660]

SnuggleBunnies' skepticism is a bad omen.

[Walpurgi]

I of course also hope for a Pike a shot 2 but my biggest fear is not if that day will come or not. Coming from a miniatures and boardgame background I always tend to look at the games I own as forever lasting. Keeps me up at night some times thinking, what if I cannot play P&S in 20 years time? What if Slitherine and matrix are no longer in business by then and the PBEM server is down. To me P&S and FOG 2 is the best gamin experiences I have had in my life including miniatures and boardgames as well. I just pray to the gaming gods that I will be able to enjoy these games multiplayer with friends 20 years from now. Any one else feeling the same weird anxiety? hahahaha

[Athos1660]

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