incredible strengh of T-60

[egrofik]

Question to the community:
In several scenarios my tanks are crashed from a simple T-60 or T-70.
I was attacked from T-34/43 or KV-1 and suffered with my Panzer IV G only one point loss.
But the T-60 cost me 3 or 4 points of strengh, I think they are to strong because its a light tank.
Can someone explain the difference?

[Horseman]

I feel like there's some information missing here. A T-60 should not be out performing a T-34!

If you press the L button during the game you'll bring up the combat log. This might go some way to explain combat results that you see.

Other than that, was your tank in disadvantageous terrain? Were you attacking and they had (unseen?) AT support?

[BaronVonWalrus]

Question to the community:
In several scenarios my tanks are crashed from a simple T-60 or T-70.
I was attacked from T-34/43 or KV-1 and suffered with my Panzer IV G only one point loss.
But the T-60 cost me 3 or 4 points of strengh, I think they are to strong because its a light tank.
Can someone explain the difference?

Doesn't the T-60 also have the rapid fire ability, so gets 50% more "to hit" rolls than medium tanks of both sides? If it's in better terrain than you (especially if it catches your tanks in a marsh, river bank or urban hex) then it's probably got a chance to do some nasty damage. In open terrain and with everything else equal (XP, suppression, unit size), I would agree that the T-60 is going to get beaten up badly by a Pz IVG unit.

[egrofik]

No it was in open terrain.
Maybe the rapid fire ability is the key?
But then this is not well balanced.
For now, I beat the red army and our english friends doesn't have T-60...

[Horseman]

No it was in open terrain.
Maybe the rapid fire ability is the key?
But then this is not well balanced.
For now, I beat the red army and our english friends doesn't have T-60...

The T-60 did OK for me in the Rzhev sscenario but was no where near the same level as the T-34s.

I don't think it's hard attack is enough to compete with the T-34 even with rapid fire. There must have been other factors?

[egrofik]

I've played the campiagn now for third time on general level.
Every unit is well balanced, but not these T-60 or T-70.
In the sceanrios moscow and stalingrad this hurts really.
Sorry for can't giving more descriptions, but this is not in one scenario, its in the whole russian campaign path.
But maybe a comparison to the Panzer III is the key with rapid fire, they have nearly the same stats...

[Horseman]

I've played the campiagn now for third time on general level.
Every unit is well balanced, but not these T-60 or T-70.
In the sceanrios moscow and stalingrad this hurts really.
Sorry for can't giving more descriptions, but this is not in one scenario, its in the whole russian campaign path.
But maybe a comparison to the Panzer III is the key with rapid fire, they have nearly the same stats...

Yeah could be that- come to think of it, I think they surprised me a few times during the campaign too. Will have to check the stats out later as I'm not at my computer right now.

[SineMora]

T-60s and T-70s are completely different tanks, so I suspect OP is confused; the former is practically a Panzer IIC with better armour and has no chance against heavily armoured targets whereas the latter has a decent hard attack. If anything losing only a single step on a IVG to a T-34/43 is extremely lucky, but then we have no idea what RNG he's playing with.

[egrofik]

sorry, but but what do you mean with OP and RNG?
And if I remember correctly T-60 has a hard attack of 16.
It seems strange but this it what I noticed so far.

[Horseman]

sorry, but but what do you mean with OP and RNG?
And if I remember correctly T-60 has a hard attack of 16.
It seems strange but this it what I noticed so far.

In this context OP meant "original poster" it can also sometimes be used to mean "over powered"

RNG is "Random number generator"

Are you using the default of 50% or something else?

[egrofik]

everything is on default settings, level General.
I will look for a combat log in my archive, maybe I find this situation.

[SineMora]

sorry, but but what do you mean with OP and RNG?
And if I remember correctly T-60 has a hard attack of 16.
It seems strange but this it what I noticed so far.

The T-60 has an HA of 10, the same as the IIC; it's not capable of damaging the IVG -- with a GD of 18 -- unless the latter is parked on vulnerable terrain. The T-50 and T-70 have reasonably strong HAs, but pay for that with poor SA and lower GD than the heavier Soviet armour like the T-34. The IVG is an all-purpose tank and pays for that with a high core slot cost, just like the T-34. While their performance isn't entirely realistic, the same thing could be argued for many other units in the game; at least this way light tanks can be a viable option to flooding the field with medium and heavies, which is already the norm among players.

[egrofik]

@SineMora: correct, I checked the stats.
As I wrote before, if I step back in the campaign path I will post such a combat log.
thanks so far.