What does Decadence from conquest mean?
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What does Decadence from conquest mean?
What does Decadence from conquest mean?
Re: What does Decadence from conquest mean?
It's a short term increase. Less severe for objectives and sometimes less depending on faction and ethnicity of region. Manual has a good example in the Rome play through
Re: What does Decadence from conquest mean?
Please somebody correct me if I am wrong but I think this is how decadence works.
- The decadence is always calculated on region level and then summed up for whole state/empire from there.
- The two main decadence sources on the region level are from buildings and from size. Buildings are self explanatory - it is just flat decadence increase every turn.
- The decadence from size works on this formula: 0.5+0.05 x number of regions owned. Half if region is part of province.
- The region loses 10% of accumulated decadence every turn.
Some additional remarks:
- The 10% loss of decadence means that long-term all regions go towards stable decadence that is ten times of per turn decadence production. This means that for long-term CDR reasons you should produce culture that us higher than 10 times decadence (under perfect loyalty).
- Conquering province brings in the decadence from previous owner plus 1. So conquering a region from old and decadent empire can prove to be tricky. You will need to wait for multuple turns for decadence to decrease.
- Conquering underdeveloped regions with 1 population is terrible business for large empires. It may take dozens of turns until that region produces enough culture to offset decadence it adds throughout the rest of the empire. This is actually a nice mechanic. Most of the tomes you should expand into developed regions and if expanding into barbarian lands you should focus on development before moving forward.
- The decadence is always calculated on region level and then summed up for whole state/empire from there.
- The two main decadence sources on the region level are from buildings and from size. Buildings are self explanatory - it is just flat decadence increase every turn.
- The decadence from size works on this formula: 0.5+0.05 x number of regions owned. Half if region is part of province.
- The region loses 10% of accumulated decadence every turn.
Some additional remarks:
- The 10% loss of decadence means that long-term all regions go towards stable decadence that is ten times of per turn decadence production. This means that for long-term CDR reasons you should produce culture that us higher than 10 times decadence (under perfect loyalty).
- Conquering province brings in the decadence from previous owner plus 1. So conquering a region from old and decadent empire can prove to be tricky. You will need to wait for multuple turns for decadence to decrease.
- Conquering underdeveloped regions with 1 population is terrible business for large empires. It may take dozens of turns until that region produces enough culture to offset decadence it adds throughout the rest of the empire. This is actually a nice mechanic. Most of the tomes you should expand into developed regions and if expanding into barbarian lands you should focus on development before moving forward.
Re: What does Decadence from conquest mean?
mostly but:
there are four main sources of decadence:
a) buildings, some add decadence, some remove it
b) govt age (if glorious/old/decadent), the impact of this is affected by size
c) number of regions (size)
d) govt type, you get more if in a golden age or old/decadent - this is not size dependent as such but acts as a modifier to the other calculations
less common but some factional element (ie a bad ruler etc)
So there are two parts to the equation that are not allocated to the region so the total number is more than the apparent sum of the parts.
Also as with the OP, you get short term decadence off recent conquests (as you've indicated), this will decay over time
agree with your analysis of how to phase expansion (& target it). Crudely take Athens before some obscure region north of the Black Sea - if you have the choice.
there are four main sources of decadence:
a) buildings, some add decadence, some remove it
b) govt age (if glorious/old/decadent), the impact of this is affected by size
c) number of regions (size)
d) govt type, you get more if in a golden age or old/decadent - this is not size dependent as such but acts as a modifier to the other calculations
less common but some factional element (ie a bad ruler etc)
So there are two parts to the equation that are not allocated to the region so the total number is more than the apparent sum of the parts.
Also as with the OP, you get short term decadence off recent conquests (as you've indicated), this will decay over time
agree with your analysis of how to phase expansion (& target it). Crudely take Athens before some obscure region north of the Black Sea - if you have the choice.