Dealing with government age

[Yaitz331]

So, I'm in the middle of a playthrough as Judea. I've been a glorious theocracy for about 70 turns now, and my decadence from age is through the roof. Since my culture is also through the roof, I'm permanently stuck in the middle of the CDR. I have no objectives that I don't own, so I can't progress that way.

Any advice?

[devoncop]

Become a client state of Egypt ?

Being serious it is definitely not a good idea to level up too early as it does mean your ageing becomes a huge issue in a longer game.

As Rome it is very easy to become an Empire far too early and the decadence will absolutely cripple you from govt age longer term.

I know Geffalrus has been playing out a long SP game as the Antigonids and I think he was an Empire fairly early on. It would be interesting to know how his decadence is looking. He was doing very well on legacy but not enough to win as yet I think.

That may be the gamble ....go hard and early to get all the bonuses from a stage 3 govt and try to win the game before ageing and Decadence destroy you or take it slowly and play the long game.....

[13obo]

If you progress quick, your goal should be to take out the nearest threats legacy-wise. I am in this Rhodus playthrough and already at glorious city league level, so am heading for Rome (only other nation with similar legacy) next to take them out and win the game by having more than 3x legacy gain of everyone else.

[devoncop]

If you progress quick, your goal should be to take out the nearest threats legacy-wise. I am in this Rhodus playthrough and already at glorious city league level, so am heading for Rome (only other nation with similar legacy) next to take them out and win the game by having more than 3x legacy gain of everyone else.

Interesting as Rhodes.

What turn have you reached and what difficulty are you playing on if you don't mind me asking ?

[13obo]

Not sure the turn, probably around 50-70. Difficulty is suicidal. Playing heavily commerce-focused. Got lucky that Ptolemey Egypt accepted an alliance request at start and then could pick off my objectives from Antagonids relatively easy.

[devoncop]

Not sure the turn, probably around 50-70. Difficulty is suicidal. Playing heavily commerce-focused. Got lucky that Ptolemey Egypt accepted an alliance request at start and then could pick off my objectives from Antagonids relatively easy.

Nicely done...not sure you would be achieving that in MP though

[13obo]

Probably not, but I am not a fan of turn-based MP games! Too slow.

[loki100]

So, I'm in the middle of a playthrough as Judea. I've been a glorious theocracy for about 70 turns now, and my decadence from age is through the roof. Since my culture is also through the roof, I'm permanently stuck in the middle of the CDR. I have no objectives that I don't own, so I can't progress that way.

Any advice?

the citizens decision can help ... it doesn't come up very often but one of the options is the state reform, that'll take 1/3 off your age at the risk of a lost progress token. By mid-game prob more use than the one-off bonus of a cluster of ethnicity swaps.

or embrace your inner hedonist, go old, go mad on culture production and revert to mature?

[Yaitz331]

So, I'm in the middle of a playthrough as Judea. I've been a glorious theocracy for about 70 turns now, and my decadence from age is through the roof. Since my culture is also through the roof, I'm permanently stuck in the middle of the CDR. I have no objectives that I don't own, so I can't progress that way.

Any advice?

the citizens decision can help ... it doesn't come up very often but one of the options is the state reform, that'll take 1/3 off your age at the risk of a lost progress token. By mid-game prob more use than the one-off bonus of a cluster of ethnicity swaps.

I've been doing that whenever the decision pops up.

or embrace your inner hedonist, go old, go mad on culture production and revert to mature?

I've been considering that, but I'm worried about what consequences I might end up with.

[loki100]

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I've been considering that, but I'm worried about what consequences I might end up with.

its manageable, I spent 80 turns as old/decadent in a Belgae test. Wasn't great but managed it with no serious issues. If you have the ability to pump out culture then you can cope with being old and get out of it relatively quickly. If you can't get into the top tier of the CDR its a bit more of a problem.

it also does wonders for your legacy score.

[Yaitz331]

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I've been considering that, but I'm worried about what consequences I might end up with.

its manageable, I spent 80 turns as old/decadent in a Belgae test. Wasn't great but managed it with no serious issues. If you have the ability to pump out culture then you can cope with being old and get out of it relatively quickly. If you can't get into the top tier of the CDR its a bit more of a problem.

it also does wonders for your legacy score.

I'm already top in legacy by a large margin (30K; next guy's 20K). If I did do it, I'd only drop to stable and then get back up. Judging from my decadence makeup, I would then have no problem getting back into glorious (8K decadence, of which 5K is age, and 7K culture).

[Pocus]

Yeah, I would say if your government is really old one solution is to accept becoming old (by removing people from culture or conquering regions) and then become stable again (doing the reverse, abandoning fringe regions to anyone and putting back people to culture). Each time, this removes 50% of government age. Probably you can do one such cycle every 50 years and you should be good.