SOA Later Medieval German - Question about time periods

zulu · Post by **zulu** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:49 pm

I notice in the SOA army list for later medieval german options are split by "before 1450" and "after 1450" - however, if i look at the total bases "required" i notice requirements for troops from both periods? How do i interpret this?

My guess is - if i decide to field an army from the era before 1450, certain troops must be included such as spearmen 8-24, if i decide after 1450, pikemen must be included...

Can someone help out here?

thanks

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:11 pm

That's my take, spear before 1450, pike after.

Dale

david53 · Post by **david53** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:13 pm

daleivan wrote:That's my take, spear before 1450, pike after.

Dale

Thats right spears/Knights or Pikes/Knight

Rattleshirt · Post by **Rattleshirt** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:35 am

So... just to elaborate, if building a post 1450 army, go with pikes and ignore the spearmen requirement of 8-24 bases? And vice versa for a pre-1450 army?

Watch the quality of those knights as well based on the date, Zulu! Pre-1450 you get superior undrilled, average drilled after!

rtaylor · Post by **rtaylor** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:20 am

Rattleshirt wrote:Watch the quality of those knights as well based on the date, Zulu! Pre-1450 you get superior undrilled, average drilled after!

Yes, it's a definite trade-off to get pikes. Mind you, drilled knights are more likely to maneuver themselves into favorable matchups (or away from unfavorable ones).

daleivan · Post by **daleivan** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:30 pm

Good points about drilled average versus superior undrilled. I have Condotta (Venice) so don't have a choice in the matter

but can see advantages to both.

Cheers,

Dale

zulu · Post by **zulu** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:30 pm

thanks to all for posting

i will have to watch the knight rating indeed!

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:28 pm

One option worth looking at is the pre 1450 with average armoured German spear & Swiss superior pike allies. I used this list, albeit illegally when I had Hungarians with Swiss, against some Late Rep. Romans yesterday.

I found a superior legion blew through the spear block, my opponent getting 6 hits a melee grrrr, to auto break the luckless spear. But the Pike block managed to destroy an elite legion with the ally-general lending his weight to their re-rolling.

My crossbows got the better of some elephants who charged them, managing to kill one of the grey beasties, this led to the 3rd legion failing its ct, and dropping to disrupted.

At this point my superior knights having bounced of the legion earlier charged with renewed vigour and routed the legion.

Also, I found the handgunners are great when adding their firepower to other shooting, they don't need to score a hit to cause the opponent to test at -1 if you do 1per 3 in shooting.

Overall it was a great game against a great opponent, who plays the game with the right spirit and attitude.

All I need to do know is work out a legal 650 list and see how that works !

The legal parts of my list were

Swiss Pike 2 x 8 HF P S D -- Pk Pk
Spearmen 1 x 6 HF A A D -- DS Sp
Feudal MAA 2 x 4 Kn H S U -- La Sw
Crossbows 1 x 6 MF P A D Xb -- --
Archers 1 x 6 LF U A U B -- --
Swiss Xb 1 x 4 LF U A U Xb -- --
Handguns 2 x 4 LF U A U FA -- --
C-in-C TC
Sub-Gen TC
Ally-Gen TC

Not sure what I would add for the other 64 pts, maybe some more Swiss Pk, 3 blocks might be just the thing to burst through most foot lines.

Katsu · Post by **Katsu** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:19 am

3 Swiss allied pike blocks would be illegal.

rtaylor · Post by **rtaylor** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:55 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Not sure what I would add for the other 64 pts, maybe some more Swiss Pk, 3 blocks might be just the thing to burst through most foot lines.

One option: Mounted crossbowmen. 4 bases = 56 pts. They would have the same mission as the LH. Not sure what you do with the other 8 points, though.

Or, Armoured halberdiers. 6 bases = 60 points.

Or, Swiss halberdiers.

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:55 pm

Katsu wrote:3 Swiss allied pike blocks would be illegal.

How so ? The Swiss ally list allows for 8-24 Pike in 8 to 12 base size after 1422.

Katsu · Post by **Katsu** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:18 am

When taking Swiss allies one of the up to three BGs must be LF Crossbowmen or Handgunners.
I wish it weren't so but maybe it's best for play balance.

JM

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:34 am

Since when are allied contingents limited to 3 BG?

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:40 am

yeah, i am looking through the army lists.. why can you only take 3BG's? You must take a bg of LF depending on the year, handgunners or CB. As long as your main army has its min. bases.. Its fair game.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:14 am

gozerius wrote:Since when are allied contingents limited to 3 BG?

They're not - thy're only limited by the number of BGs you can get out of the allied list, and the Swiss ally can have something like 6.

Katsu · Post by **Katsu** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:33 am

That's good news.

JM