Camp placement

berthier · Post by **berthier** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:33 am

A question arose in today's game about the placement of a camp. P. 142 states that a camp cannot be placed on impassable terrain or a river or with impassable terrain on more than two sides.

One player wanted to place his camp in a village on his board edge and as we could not find any rule in the book that prohibited such an action it was allowed. Did we overlook something?

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:51 am

Very natural to set up camp in ready made accommodations with amenities rather than in a soggy field (or even worse, in a river).

The one risk of putting your camp in town is that the troops are may be too exhausted and debauched to fight effectively in the morning.

shall · Post by **shall** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:40 pm

Yes that's fine - whta better place to camp than a requisitioned village!!

Si

rich0101 · Post by **rich0101** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:36 pm

Plus, I find it easier to defend a camp while in a village. LF can attack anything in difficult and most things are severely disordered.

bilugo · Post by **bilugo** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:58 pm

Can you place a camp say 5mm from one corner of the table and on the back edge of the table?

Or is there a minimum it must be from 2 edges?

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:43 am

Within 10 MU of the baseline subject to restrictions mentioned above. You can put it within 15 Mu of the baseline if behind field fortifications. As mentioned above, it is most pleasantly situated in a town.

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:59 am

I wouldn't put it in a corner in case the enemy flank marches on that side and sacks your camp when it enters the table. Flank marchers automatically sack camps and destroy artillery and battle wagons within 6 MUs of their point of arrival.

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:09 am

LOL ,it wouldn't be in case , it would be definite

LambertSimnel · Post by **LambertSimnel** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:17 pm

If you flank march three non-light BGs on that side then an enemy flank march can't get past you.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:13 pm

LambertSimnel wrote:If you flank march three non-light BGs on that side then an enemy flank march can't get past you.

Just my opinion but if my enemy wants to flank march and come on near the rear corner to sack my camp I am ok with that. Especially if he has more than 1 BG with him. It will have effectively taken him out of the battle and by the time he does reach the battle it might be over. Where those BGs off sacking the camp might have turned the tide. But then again we have yet to have such a close win that one side won by 2 attrition points. Perhaps then my position might change a little. But still I love the strategic and tactical decisions you have to make in this game, there are pros and cons to practically ever decision you make.

Brian

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:03 pm

True Brian ,
It's part of what makes the rules fun .
Not guarding the camp is a mistake ,however IMHO . I use Mongol and I send my cheapest BG of LH on a flank march . Their job ? Get me 2 points and lure enemy BG out of the line . They take the camp and run 14" !
2 points is 2 points

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:22 am

If it is going to take any extra effort to defend my camp I don't bother. It pulls valuable troops out of the line.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:16 am

Amra wrote:True Brian ,
It's part of what makes the rules fun .
Not guarding the camp is a mistake ,however IMHO . I use Mongol and I send my cheapest BG of LH on a flank march . Their job ? Get me 2 points and lure enemy BG out of the line . They take the camp and run 14" !
2 points is 2 points

But it effectively takes one of your commanders out of the game, so you really do need to weigh up the pros and cons.

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:06 pm

Not to argue with someone who knows the rules

but ,

Yes you gotta weigh it up but I also try to tip the odds my way .

I have 4 Generals . My strike force moves end game so don't ( usually ) need a General early. After the flank march has hit the baggage my Gen moves 21" per move back to the action if I need him to .

Plus, sometimes I "flank march " by a gen and LH unit in ambush if I get a forest etc on a flank

I really believe Mongols play best by not being straight forward but rather doing everything to break up (generally ) heavier battle lines . Grabbing 2 points and distracting your opponent is worth it , I think , when your trying to soften up targets with LH before a Heavies charge .

I LOVE that I finally have a set of rules that let me play Mongols historically .