PSA - Turn Start / Deployment Phase?

[bru888]

This is one of those unannounced and undocumented changes which are introduced to the scenario editor with every new version of OOB. "Deployment Phase" appeared with version 7.1.4 for the first time and certainly could have its uses (I haven't thought of any yet, but I will ).

"PSA" in English stands for "Public Service Announcement" which I am making because I have some concerns about Deployment Phase with pre-7.1.4 DLC and custom content. The reason I am saying this is, going over some things here and there, I have found a few instances in which it seems triggers may have defaulted to Deployment Phase when they were originally set for Turn >0.

Take this for example. It's from the U.S. Pacific version of Pearl Harbor; this is how it looks out of the box now:

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I tested this arrangement and it does not work as originally designed because even though it's set for infinite frequency, it's testing for the Deployment Phase condition on every turn. This is not good for this scenario, because this trigger was intended to keep the Japanese AI planes focused on the harbor throughout the scenario. There may be a gap where no Japanese planes are in sight of the harbor and FOW will ensue for the AI.

To determine if I am right, would some of you scenario editor-savvy fellows look at this trigger from U.S. Pacific / Pearl Harbor and see if it appears the same to you? If so, I think we may have a problem and the developers may need to go through their old DLC to correct it where it occurs.

[terminator]

I have tested the Condition "Deloyment Phase".

Deployment Phase means turn n°0. Turn n°0 and infinite frequency ?????????

It works only if this box is checked :

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I do not understand very well the interest of this new condition. This trigger returns to the same (No condition for Turn Start) :

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[terminator]

PearlHarborUSA 6.1.9 :

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[GabeKnight]

To determine if I am right, would some of you scenario editor-savvy fellows look at this trigger from U.S. Pacific / Pearl Harbor and see if it appears the same to you? If so, I think we may have a problem and the developers may need to go through their old DLC to correct it where it occurs.

Yes, it looks like you described in the editor. But the scen as itself plays okay, just tested it. Does not seem to have an effect here, but you're right in general, of course, this has to be checked and observed. The only weird thing was the Japs targeting the cruiser more than I remember them to. But that could be some minor AI code change.

And like you and Mr. T, I don't see the obvious reason why it's needed altogether - with the "scenario start" event already present.

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[terminator]

And like you and Mr. T, I don't see the obvious reason why it's needed altogether - with the "scenario start" event already present.

"Scenario Start" is not strickly the same as "Turn Start".

Example with "Scenario Start" :

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[bru888]

PearlHarborUSA 6.1.9 :

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This is key. This is the way that it looked up until now? Then wherever this tactic was used in the past, Turn > 0, it seems it may now default to Deployment Phase. The designer(s) did this for a reason in Pearl Harbor and I wonder if results will consistently be the same now. Same wherever else this was done.

Thanks for responding, guys. Now it's up to the developers to take care of their game as they see fit.

[bebro]

The "deployment phase" option as condition should definately not change a previous setting like turn > x in older scns.

Thx for posting this.

[bru888]

My pleasure, bebro. Thanks for taking care of OOB.