Hullo and HELP!

myrm · Post by **myrm** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:52 pm

Well, finally signed up as my army starts to get assembled. The Ancients players have dragged me back in and away from FoW at my club. FoG convinced me to actually invest in my own army - and 4 months after buying it I am getting round to the dreaded painting.

So, Hi y'all and I have one question on the army lists.

In various places certain units are described as upgrades. Do these units count against the either maximum or minimum limits for their base type (the troops they are an upgrade from) or is the description literally just context rather than rules?

Thanks
Tim

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:50 pm

upgrades. Do these units count against the either maximum or minimum limits for their base type (the troops they are an upgrade from)

Yes. They count as taken from the original entry line. So if the original line said:

"Spearmen - MF - Average - Protected - drilled - - - Lt Spear - - - BG 6-8 - Total 6 - 16"

and the upgrade:

"Upgrade Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen - BG 4-8 - Total 0-8"

(if only)

If you took all 8 of the upgrade you would not have to take any from the original line (you have taken more than the minmimum 6). You could also only take a maximum of 8 from the original line along with the 8 upgraded

carlos · Post by **carlos** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:48 pm

Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:10 pm

Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Ancient British if Simon get's his way....

stenic · Post by **stenic** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 pm

carlos wrote:Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Steve P

dave_r · Post by **dave_r** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:50 pm

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Yeah - they didn't exist either....

stenic · Post by **stenic** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:08 pm

dave_r wrote:
Elves at Helm's Deep ?
Yeah - they didn't exist either....

But.... but... but...

Omar · Post by **Omar** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:44 pm

Those are clearly the 'generic' Byzantine soldiers.

Elves.. as if.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:57 pm

dave_r wrote:
Elves at Helm's Deep ?
Yeah - they didn't exist either....

Not even in the book.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:31 pm

But seeing Porky Elf getting his chips was worthwhile.

Elves, we hates them - especially most of the rugby ones ...

myrm · Post by **myrm** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:33 pm

Thanks for the info

I assume therefore that the same answer holds true for those units where the term 'Replace..' is used instead of 'Upgrade..' or 'Downgrade...'

Tim

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:39 pm

without wishing to get into an argument about elfs yes

pbrandon · Post by **pbrandon** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:10 pm

Yes pointless arguments are irritating. It's "Elves" BTW.

Paul

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:54 pm

I agree, But if its dwarfs why is it not elfs?

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:59 pm

stenic wrote:
carlos wrote:Spearmen - HF - Superior - Heavily Armoured - drilled - Bow - Lt Spear - Swordsmen

Tell me which army has these and I will buy the lead and paint them IMMEDIATELY!

Elves at Helm's Deep ?

Steve P

Aside from Legolas himself, there were no elves at Helm's Deep

Not in Tolkien, anyway. Given some of the other crap Peter Jackson did, who knows what happened in the movie?

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:55 pm

philqw78 wrote:I agree, But if its dwarfs why is it not elfs?

It isn't. It is dwarves.

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:36 pm

lol...

Goodlord.. Elves and Dwarves is correct.. I love silly posts!

Draka · Post by **Draka** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:19 pm

Technically, pre-JRR Tolkien it was elfs and dwarfs - he hated that, and the "elfs" bit was associated more with fairies, and other miniature types. He created "Elves" for his statueque, lordly types - similar vein for "dwarfs" vs "Dwarves". Look in a really old dictionary.

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:24 am

Rather than a substantive comment I'll just refer matters Elvish and Dwarven that are FOG-related to http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FoG_fantasy/

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:46 am

without wishing to get into an argument about elfs yes

There's always at least one who wants to. But its dwarfs and elfs AFAIC

Hullo and HELP!

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