Mounted Archers 100 Years war English

david53 · Post by **david53** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:31 pm

Hi There
Just wondered why no english mounted archers are in the list when they were considered so important to the later english armies in France and were to take over from the foot archer.
Dave

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:46 pm

The longbowmen in 100YW armies fought on foot but travelled on horseback. As a result once they get to a battlefield which is what a FoG game represents they had left their horses behind.

When FoG gets a campaign suplement you may find mounted infantry appear.

david53 · Post by **david53** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:45 pm

Hi There
Just after posting I thought some more and thought it would be because of what you have stated sorry not quite awake this evening.
Dave

Smackyderm · Post by **Smackyderm** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:30 am

hammy wrote:The longbowmen in 100YW armies fought on foot but travelled on horseback. As a result once they get to a battlefield which is what a FoG game represents they had left their horses behind.

When FoG gets a campaign suplement you may find mounted infantry appear.

What about Bedford's reserve at Verneuil? He had about 2,000 mounted bowmen that he placed in between his line and the baggage. They crushed the Italians who raided the baggage and then went forward and smashed into the Scottish flank.

I don't know at what point they dismounted (if they indeed did so); I assume it was before they hit the Scots.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:10 am

I would assume it was before they did any fighting as I don't believe that English archers fought mounted.

Smackyderm · Post by **Smackyderm** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:39 am

nikgaukroger wrote:I would assume it was before they did any fighting as I don't believe that English archers fought mounted.

It is interesting that they were probably at least able to ride from their deployment position back to the baggage area to save if from the Italians. I guess FoG doesn't have a provision for troops dismounting during battle, even though at least in this case that's probably what happened. Though again, when I say "probably" it's not an authoritative conclusion. Still, Seward indicates that they were deployed as a mounted reserve. They redeployed and contacted the Italians (presumably on the flank) and saved the baggage, then advanced and contacted the Scots on the flank, who were already in the scrum with the English line.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:01 am

Smackyderm wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:I would assume it was before they did any fighting as I don't believe that English archers fought mounted.
It is interesting that they were probably at least able to ride from their deployment position back to the baggage area to save if from the Italians. I guess FoG doesn't have a provision for troops dismounting during battle, even though at least in this case that's probably what happened.

Previous wargames rules which allowed provision for dismounting during the course of battles resulted in such dismounting being performed far far more often in games than it did historically. Although it did happen occasionally during battles, we decided that overall realism was better served by not allowing it. It can always be added as a special rule for a historical refight of a battle in which it occurred historically.

Smackyderm · Post by **Smackyderm** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:10 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
Smackyderm wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:I would assume it was before they did any fighting as I don't believe that English archers fought mounted.
It is interesting that they were probably at least able to ride from their deployment position back to the baggage area to save if from the Italians. I guess FoG doesn't have a provision for troops dismounting during battle, even though at least in this case that's probably what happened.
Previous wargames rules which allowed provision for dismounting during the course of battles resulted in such dismounting being performed far far more often in games than it did historically. Although it did happen occasionally during battles, we decided that overall realism was better served by not allowing it. It can always be added as a special rule for a historical refight of a battle in which it occurred historically.

Makes sense to me. Verneuil was the only example that I knew of for the HYW.

I like scenarios and special rules anyway. Though I'm still learning FoG so no advanced play for me quite yet!

Dyeeles · Post by **Dyeeles** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:27 pm

Should mounted infantry affect the Initiative roll? Obviously once in combat it makes no difference but surely the extra mobility would allow greater scope of gaining the initiative?