Romano British or Post Roman Brits

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:11 am

Hi I am returning to Ancients after leaving DBM in frustration several years ago.

I have only had one and a bit games of FOG but do like how it looks and plays.

I had sold off most of my figs. I would like to do a new army of Romano Brits in 15mm.

It appears the list will not be out till Feb next year, as I am starting to purchase and build the army now can any one give me suggestions to what I should start painting.

Thanks Phil

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:48 am

You won't go far wrong if you start with a load of basic spearmen and some cavalry

vsolfronk · Post by **vsolfronk** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:45 pm

If you are looking for some great figures for the Romano Brits, check out Splintered Light Minis for the Brits and Saxons. They are really nice!! I also use Outpost and Essex for my figs as well.

http://www.splinteredlightminis.com/rb.html

I cannot wait until the list comes out either- even if they leave out the monks!

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:40 am

Thanks Nick.

There is a comp in Brisbane Oz in about 2 months so it will give me some stuff to aim for.

As I know very little on late Roman Britian. Are the spearmen Med foot, or more like the Saxon and Hv

I am guessing the Cav are not the lancers;

Would the brits of had some light horse armed with a light spear or javlin

Thanks for the reply's guys

Phil

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:14 pm

I have just bought and read the Osprey Book called Arther and the Anglo Saxon Wars.

While not having a great deal on Arthur or the wars it was quite informative.

Would the new list have for the armies like Strathclyde quite allot of cav as this book appeared to indicate that is who did most of the fighting.

With the Cornish and Welsh lists with less cav and I am guessing more capable Inf.

I am guessing the army could not have been all that bad as it was able to fight off the Germanic Invaders/Setters as well as the Norse, some thing many other nations were not able to do. The end incarnation of the Sub roman Brit/Irish/Celt the Army of Alba

I have surfed the web and info on this period is quite thin on the ground

Thanks Phil

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:03 am

Humm interesting, I am looking for an ancient army once I have finished my Free Company army for people who do not want fight knights. Will the Romano British be competitive or will it be sliced and diced when it meets a Late Roman army?

Keith

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:15 am

BlackPrince wrote:Humm interesting, I am looking for an ancient army once I have finished my Free Company army for people who do not want fight knights. Will the Romano British be competitive or will it be sliced and diced when it meets a Late Roman army?

Let's just say that I don't expect any of the "tournament tigers" to be using it. If being "competitive" is more important to you than the Romantic nature of the army, it probably isn't the army for you.

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:42 am

Thanks Richard

I am looking for the romantic nature
Themed on Riothamus

At the moment I am going to use the Army for a game on the weekend, using the Foederate List with Armorican Allies and Burgundian Allies Set around 468AD.

So I have not taken Romans or lancer armed Cav.

As the Armorican Allies will be close to the Sub Romano List any way.

Thanks Phil

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:29 am

My List for Comment

IC Riothamus
FC Bedevere

2x BG of 8 el MF Isaurians
1 x BG of 6 LF Isaurians
1 x BG of 8 HF Av Aux
1 x BG of 9 HF Pr Aux
1 x BG of 6 Cv Sup Cav Equites
1 x BG of 6 LH Av Illyricani Equites

FC Armorican Allies
1x BG of 4 Sup Cav
1x BG of 8 Av Hv foot

TC Burgundian Allies
1x BG Hv of 12 Foot
1x BG LF of 4 Bow
1x BG LF of 4 Jav
Set around 465AD. ( I would like 468 but have to be lower to get the Isaurians in)

12 BG and 799 points
Thanks Phil

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:51 am

Phil_Bradley wrote:My List for Comment

IC Riothamus
FC Bedevere

2x BG of 8 el MF Isaurians
1 x BG of 6 LF Isaurians
1 x BG of 8 HF Av Aux
1 x BG of 9 HF Pr Aux
1 x BG of 6 Cv Sup Cav Equites
1 x BG of 6 LH Av Illyricani Equites

FC Armorican Allies
1x BG of 4 Sup Cav
1x BG of 8 Av Hv foot

TC Burgundian Allies
1x BG Hv of 12 Foot
1x BG LF of 4 Bow
1x BG LF of 4 Jav
Set around 465AD. ( I would like 468 but have to be lower to get the Isaurians in)

12 BG and 799 points
Thanks Phil

A couple of points,

First you seem to have a BG of 9 bases, unless it includes 1/3 supporting light foot this is not allowed.
Secondly you have spent IMO too many points on generals. You defintely don't need an FC and an IC for the main army. The Armorican FC is a bit of a luxury as well. If I had an IC in my army I would normally have 2 or 3 TCs as the other generals.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:59 pm

Phil_Bradley wrote:My List for Comment

2x BG of 8 el MF Isaurians
1 x BG of 6 LF Isaurians. ( I would like 468 but have to be lower to get the Isaurians in)

Isaurians lived in Anatolia. There should not be any on the western fringes of the Empire.

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:45 pm

Hi Hammy

It states 2/3 or all. As I have 6 points left I dumped it there, on a poor Hv foot.
I will down grade the Gen and spend the points to make the 6 element battle group an 8.

As I have not played very much 2 games of FOG, I am still working out how stuff works.

Richard.

Ta I knew they were not in britian, but as I am trying to do a Romano List in Gaul. that class of troop is closer to the Amorcian foot than the Foederate troops.

As I believe it is Feb/March when the book with the list will come out. Not unless you are happy to email me a beta list to play test.

Thanks for the comments Phil

Ok have modified the list removed the 9th Poor Hv foot
Add a BG of archers
Downgraded the general
IC Riothamus
TC Bedevere

2x BG of 8 el MF Isaurians
1 x BG of 6 LF Isaurians
1 x BG of 8 HF Av Aux
1 x BG of 8 HF Pr Aux
1 x BG of 6 Cv Sup Cav Equites
1 x BG of 6 LH Av Illyricani Equites
1 x BG of 6 MF Bw Av Aux

FC Armorican Allies
1x BG of 4 Sup Cav
1x BG of 8 Av Hv foot

TC Burgundian Allies
1x BG Hv of 12 Foot
1x BG LF of 4 Bow
1x BG LF of 4 Jav
Set around 465AD. ( I would like 468 but have to be lower to get the Isaurians in)

13 BG and 800 points
Thanks Phil

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:56 pm

Let's just say that I don't expect any of the "tournament tigers" to be using it. If being "competitive" is more important to you than the Romantic nature of the army, it probably isn't the army for you

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The Romantic nature is very appealing and the figures suit my paint style. As I am a mid level player I am not good enough to always fineness victories with men in skirts and sticks and against the Swiss or hide in terrain until the right moment. If the Romano British is mostly going to lose to tournament tigers so be it I will happy wear it for the Romantic Nature but I do want to win some of the games I play with it other wise the Romantic nature starts to run a bit thin. Will there be some armoured troops or all protected and it have HF or all MF that is the sort of thing I mean by being competitive.

Keith

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:02 pm

Hi Keith

In the Armorican Allys in the Hun list Legions Triumphant is really my list the 12000 men that were brought over to Gaul to fight the Goths.
So you have Hv and Med foot.

In real life one of the roman leaders told the Goths where the Brits were and they were attacked before they had linked with roman troops.

The Brit leader Riothamus whose real name may have been Arthur as Riocthamus is a title who was wounded went to a
french town called Avallon which had healing baths in Burgundy who were allied to the romans. which is why the burgandians are in the list

Phil

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:20 pm

BlackPrince wrote:
Let's just say that I don't expect any of the "tournament tigers" to be using it. If being "competitive" is more important to you than the Romantic nature of the army, it probably isn't the army for you
ä

The Romantic nature is very appealing and the figures suit my paint style. As I am a mid level player I am not good enough to always fineness victories with men in skirts and sticks and against the Swiss or hide in terrain until the right moment. If the Romano British is mostly going to lose to tournament tigers so be it I will happy wear it for the Romantic Nature but I do want to win some of the games I play with it other wise the Romantic nature starts to run a bit thin. Will there be some armoured troops or all protected and it have HF or all MF that is the sort of thing I mean by being competitive.

Keith

The only Armoured BGs are among the cavalry. This is not to say that none of the foot would have had armour, but armoured men would be a small minority. The armoured men would not be in separate BGs from the less well equipped men (romance only goes so far), so the overall effect is Protected.

The general idea is that troops from upland areas would be MF and lowland troops HF. You must pick one or the other for the main army, but can use the other type in a British ally contingent. The character of the lowland infantry changes after 600 AD from light spear swordsmen to defensive spearmen. This is in line with changes in the character of infantry fighting that appeared to be happening at that time throughout western Europe. It is all explained in the book.

I cannot say more, but in equal points games this will be an army that emphasises quantity rather than quality. It should do fine against its contemporaries. It will require skill to do well against better equipped and organised anachronistic opponents. If you want an "invincible" bludgeon, this isn't it.

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:33 pm

Thanks, not interested in an invincible bludgeon so this could be what I am looking for which book will it be in and I look out for it early next year.

Keith

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:40 pm

Thanks Richard

I saw in the wolves of the sea, book. That there will be Early Welsh, Scots and other Celts as well. Who will no doubt ally to one kingdom or another.

I am guessing but this army will have more mounted than its enemies in England at the time as well.

I am planning to do Strathclyde one of the more longer lasting Kingdoms.

Phil

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:54 pm

BlackPrince wrote:Thanks, not interested in an invincible bludgeon so this could be what I am looking for which book will it be in and I look out for it early next year.

Wolves from the Sea. February, I think.

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:11 am

Hi Phil,

Thanks for tip I have checked out the Armorican allies list in Legions Triumphant. I just need to look at the pros and cons of light spear.

Keith

Phil_Bradley · Post by **Phil_Bradley** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 am

No worries mate you will find there are no real cons or pro,s it is the weapon you have when you have no other weapon.

I think you would do well to have a few allies with the army either other brits or Scots, irish, Picts, Welsh, Viking or at worst the dreaded Saxon. You will find one with a troop type you need.

Phil