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Lcjr, forgive me, please.
I know this is annoying, but the word you want is morale
Moral means something entirely different.
In the theological sense, moral means adherence to religious law and doctrine.
In the secular sense, moral is more or less the same as ethical.
And yes, I know the issue is complicated by that napoleonic maxim, "The moral is to the physical as three is to two." What Napoleon was talking about there was morale, not moral.
To quote the US Army field manual, "Second only to the mission, the morale of the troops is of prime importance."
I know this is annoying, but the word you want is morale

Moral means something entirely different.
In the theological sense, moral means adherence to religious law and doctrine.
In the secular sense, moral is more or less the same as ethical.
And yes, I know the issue is complicated by that napoleonic maxim, "The moral is to the physical as three is to two." What Napoleon was talking about there was morale, not moral.
To quote the US Army field manual, "Second only to the mission, the morale of the troops is of prime importance."
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May I ask question?
I've never heard about field manual, but this might be something I'd like to read.possum wrote:
To quote the US Army field manual, "Second only to the mission, the morale of the troops is of prime importance."
So, how to keep up morale, how to employ your army, how to counter adversary tactics, things like that is written, I guess.
And one thing I want to know is the relation between morale and drill.
You know, in LA(Legion Arena), these are two independent skill, so even though you have junior officer in your unit, that will not
automatically mean your units is well-trained.
What is your standpoint of view about this? A junior officer is prerequisite of drill? Or there might be some drill-instructer(I've watched
full-metal-jacket), and Parris Island in Roman Legion, too? So high-morale and not so well-trained units can exist?
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Recovering Morale
I think have seen references in the forum to the idea that units may recover some morale, become reordered and ready to go back into the fray, but does it actually happen? I don't think I've seen units move back up from say the orange arrow "shaken" to the yellow triangle in any amount of time, at least not in the scope of a battle. Am I overlooking anything?
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Possum thanks for the response.
But isn't it odd that you don't go through the "yellow" stage on the way down through the morale stages, just "go for it" to "Shaken" to "We're out of here"; that "yellow" only shows up when recovering morale. It would give one a much better sense of when to send in the reserves if you could see morale decline to "yellow" before it reaches "orange". I'd like to see Slitherine adjust this in Arcane Legions.
But isn't it odd that you don't go through the "yellow" stage on the way down through the morale stages, just "go for it" to "Shaken" to "We're out of here"; that "yellow" only shows up when recovering morale. It would give one a much better sense of when to send in the reserves if you could see morale decline to "yellow" before it reaches "orange". I'd like to see Slitherine adjust this in Arcane Legions.
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Well, if I remember it correctly, in Spartan, yellow and green meant the same thing morale-wise, the only difference being that green showed high morale and high organization, and yellow showed high morale but disorganization. Units that stayed ordered throughout the fight would then drop right into orange, because it is the next step below green. By the time the rally button is normally used, the units have become disordered, and therefore when their morale goes back up, it goes up to yellow to symbolize this. Perhaps the same principle applies here?kongming wrote:Possum thanks for the response.
But isn't it odd that you don't go through the "yellow" stage on the way down through the morale stages, just "go for it" to "Shaken" to "We're out of here"; that "yellow" only shows up when recovering morale. It would give one a much better sense of when to send in the reserves if you could see morale decline to "yellow" before it reaches "orange". I'd like to see Slitherine adjust this in Arcane Legions.
"Now Dithyrambos, the Thespian captain... by trade an architect and by no means a professional soldier, had already distinguished himself with such magnificent courage throughout the day..." From Steven Pressfield's Gates of Fire
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Thanks for the insight Dithyrambos. It seems to work exactly as you describe. I had lost track of the "organization/cohesion" part of the equation.
My apologies for my ignorance, is this the scenario that is represented by the "green to orange" pattern: a unit enters the fray in high morale with high organization, then as the fight turns against them their morale falters, and as a result of faltering morale, they lose cohesion. Then, when the trumpets sound and the troops rally, they may regain morale, but not necessarily cohesion or vice versa. Is it possible for a unit to lose cohesion but not morale? Couldn't a cavalry charge or a barrage of arrows affect cohesion, but not necessary morale?
My apologies for my ignorance, is this the scenario that is represented by the "green to orange" pattern: a unit enters the fray in high morale with high organization, then as the fight turns against them their morale falters, and as a result of faltering morale, they lose cohesion. Then, when the trumpets sound and the troops rally, they may regain morale, but not necessarily cohesion or vice versa. Is it possible for a unit to lose cohesion but not morale? Couldn't a cavalry charge or a barrage of arrows affect cohesion, but not necessary morale?