"Special Equipment Items" and "Modding"!

spedius01 · Post by **spedius01** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:28 pm

Ave

I've spent most of today checking out two of the txt files in the data directory of the installed version of Legion Arena, Squads.txt and BonusDef.txt.

My primary purpose was to discover the details of the "Special Equipment Items". There would appear to be seven of them, each one costing 750 denari:-

01. Achilles' Armour=(Blessed Armour?)-Universal-Requires Grand Master Swords III
02. Ajax's Banner-Universal-Requires Master Endurance
03. Dacian Falx-Universal excludes Spearmen & Triarii-Requires Master Big Hit (Does anyone know what Big Hit is?)
04. Odysseus' Bow-Archers only-Requires Grand Master Marksman III
05. Sarissa-Spearmen & Triarii only-Requires Master Stand Firm
06. Sarmation Cavalry Armour-Legate, Auxiliary Cavalry & Nobles excludes Scouts-Requires Master Trample
07. Teutonic Horses-Legate & All Cavalry-Requires Grand Master Swords III

I'm assuming that WesternLC=Scouts and MasterRideThemDown=Master Trample?

There is also a file named Prizes.txt which contains such exotic items as, Berzerk, FightToDeath, Strength, Agility, Shield, TrueShot, Speed and Death. I'm assuming these become available at the higher levels of difficulty?

I should point out that I've copied all eleven of the "interesting" txt files into spreadsheets using Excel for easier analysis. Whilst I was checking out the "Specials" I carefully made notes as to which sections related to the relevant troop types. I've mentioned several times my desire to award the Auxilia with "extra pilum" and the "expert throwers" skill. Through the art of "Modding" I believe that this is now possible. If it is as simple as changing a couple of numbers in the txt files, then I will try it.

Watch this space.

**Update**

It worked, I simply put the numbers 5 and 7 in the relevant slots and bingo, my Auxilia now have these two new bonuses. (5 and 7 relate to the promotion levels)

Vale

M. Spedius Corbulo

PS. Always make a back-up copy of any text file that you alter.

fatetriarrii · Post by **fatetriarrii** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:51 pm

If you look at my research on the effects of the anti-skills you will see that modding is exactly what I did, and so far it has just been a change of numbers

Thanks for all the hard work. To find out what something is, just look up its bonus in "bonusdef." meaning that "bighit" = "Armour Penetration" because it give concuss bonus (I assume it is the only one to do so?).

I will keep this in mind, very useful. Good idea to use a spread sheet (i don't have Excel

so I just make full use of the searcn option. I might, but I don;t think so

and am to lazy to look for it).

The Prizes seem to have a god association, and would therefore be left over froma previous game? Or planned for a future one? It could also appear on harder difficulties.

And finaly, thank you slitherine for making such simple files (I have seen much, much worse).

lcjr · Post by **lcjr** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:01 pm

"I think" Big Hit is Armor Penetration.

BTW there are animations labeled Ballista in data\Battle\units. Would be nice to have some artillery.

Anyway adding equipment and skills is easy. Just edit your Squads.txt and of course be sure to make a backup first.

Find the unit you want and scroll down to the bonus section. Each bonus is followed by a number that is the earliest level it's available at. Value of 100 means it's not available for that unit. Yes I tried it and yes it works. Now the big question can you get into multiplayer with an edited file?

fatetriarrii · Post by **fatetriarrii** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:05 pm

I think 99 or 100 actually means that it would take 99 levels to get it, but there aren't even enough levels in between 1 and 98 for them to get to 99, so it the same thing..

Also, looking through the files, I believe many (including "Buildings" and "Experience") are left over from previous games.

lcjr · Post by **lcjr** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:26 pm

Tried adding javelins to scouts but it crashes when they try to shoot. I just copied the data from skirmishers so I'm guessing missing animations. Hmmm, not finding an error or crash log, would make it easier to see what's going wrong.

Post by **pipfromslitherine** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:32 pm

Missing anims would be my guess too.

Cheers

Pip

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:13 am

Pip, ugly question, but...

Are there safeguards built in to the game to prevent people from cheating by editing data files?

I had an experience last week in an MP game that caused me to wonder about this.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:22 pm

Yes, if the data files were different you would go out of synch. It's possible to go out of synch without cheating, but you'll always go out of synch if you are cheating.

grimsta · Post by **grimsta** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:48 pm

So if Data fdiles are uneditable (from an MP Perspective) what about Unit Skins....now afaik this shouldnt put the games out of sync as only one end of the network will be seeing them (yours) but before i go on a rampant skinning fest and redo all your units

I would like to know for sure...
(this of ourse doesnt happen in any other game i know of, but its good to be safe)

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:01 pm

Skins do not effect the game model so you can edit them & stay in synch.

Data files can be edited but both players must have exactly the same set of data. Be careful when making changes as you'll need a back up to revert to if you want to play anyone that doesn't have your changes.

grimsta · Post by **grimsta** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:04 pm

Thanks Iain...can i just point oput this is the first time a game developer has actually responded to one of my posts, and it was damn fast too, i take my hat off to you

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:22 pm

grimsta wrote:Thanks Iain...can i just point oput this is the first time a game developer has actually responded to one of my posts, and it was damn fast too, i take my hat off to you

Yeah, Slitherine is very good about responding. They don't always give the answer you were hoping to hear, but they do respond

Post by **pipfromslitherine** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:51 pm

That's because our bots can't get it right every time...

Cheers

Pip

/syntax error

spedius01 · Post by **spedius01** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:50 pm

pipfromslitherine wrote:That's because our bots can't get it right every time... ;)
Cheers
Pip
/syntax error

Ave pip and Iain,

Thank you for the help and guidance.

Vale

M. Spedius Corbulo

sum1won · Post by **sum1won** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:12 pm

I think I figured out a way to bypass the out of sync thing while cheating.

Send me a PM if you want to test it.

Also, there appears to be a trainer hovering around for legion arena. Does anybody know what it does?

fatetriarrii · Post by **fatetriarrii** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:32 pm

pipfromslitherine wrote:That's because our bots can't get it right every time...

Cheers

Pip

/syntax error

Aha! That's were those run-away robots went!

spedius01 · Post by **spedius01** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:16 pm

Ave!

Here is the analysis of BonusDef.txt.

String BonusDef.txt Requires Replaces Localisation.txt
0 Basic Block x x Block
1 Advanced Block Basic Block Basic Block Advanced Block
2 Expert Block Advanced Block Advanced Block Expert Block
3 Master Block Expert Block Expert Block Master Block
4 Basic Dodge x x Dodge
5 Advanced Dodge Basic Dodge Basic Dodge Advanced Dodge
6 Expert Dodge Advanced Dodge Advanced Dodge Expert Dodge
7 Master Dodge Expert Dodge Expert Dodge Master Dodge
8 Basic Parry Master Dodge x Parry
9 Advanced Parry Basic Parry Basic Parry Advanced Parry
10 Expert Parry Advanced Parry Advanced Parry Expert Parry
11 Master Parry Expert Parry Expert Parry Master Parry
12 Basic Feint x x Feint
13 Advanced Feint Basic Feint Basic Feint Advanced Feint
14 Expert Feint Advanced Feint Advanced Feint Expert Feint
15 Master Feint Expert Feint Expert Feint Master Feint
16 Basic Hardiness x x Endurance
17 Advanced Hardiness Basic Hardiness Basic Hardiness Advanced Endurance
18 Expert Hardiness Advanced Hardiness Advanced Hardiness Expert Endurance
19 Master Hardiness Expert Hardiness Expert Hardiness Master Endurance
20 Basic Fitness x x x
21 Advanced Fitness Basic Fitness Basic Fitness x
22 Expert Fitness Advanced Fitness Advanced Fitness x
23 Master Fitness Expert Fitness Expert Fitness x
24 Basic Marksman x x Marksman
25 Advanced Marksman Basic Marksman Basic Marksman Advanced Marksman
26 Expert Marksman Advanced Marksman Advanced Marksman Expert Marksman
27 Master Marksman Expert Marksman Expert Marksman Master Marksman
28 Basic Swordsman x x Swordsman
29 Advanced Swordsman Basic Swordsman Basic Swordsman Advanced Swordsman
30 Expert Swordsman Advanced Swordsman Advanced Swordsman Expert Swordsman
31 Master Swordsman Expert Swordsman Expert Swordsman Master Swordsman
32 Basic Missile Defence x x Missile Protection
33 Advanced Missile Defence Basic Missile Defence Basic Missile Defence Advanced Missile Protection
34 Expert Missile Defence Advanced Missile Defence Advanced Missile Defence Expert Missile Protection
35 Master Missile Defence Expert Missile Defence Expert Missile Defence Master Missile Protection
36 Basic Officers x x Junior NCOs
37 Advanced Officers Basic Officers Basic Officers Senior NCOs
38 Expert Officers Advanced Officers Advanced Officers Junior Officers
39 Master Officers Expert Officers Expert Officers Senior Officers
40 Basic Big Hit x x Armour Penetration
41 Advanced Big Hit Basic Big Hit Basic Big Hit Advanced Armour Penetration
42 Expert Big Hit Advanced Big Hit Advanced Big Hit Expert Armour Penetration
43 Master Big Hit Expert Big Hit Expert Big Hit Master Armour Penetration
44 Basic Target Vulnerabilities x x Weakspot Targeting
45 Advanced Target Vulnerabilities Basic Target Vulnerabilities Basic Target Vulnerabilities Advanced Weakspot Targeting
46 Expert Target Vulnerabilities Advanced Target Vulnerabilities Advanced Target Vulnerabilities Expert Weakspot Targeting
47 Master Target Vulnerabilities Expert Target Vulnerabilities Expert Target Vulnerabilities Master Weakspot Targeting
48 Heavy Missiles EQUIPMENT Master Marksman x Heavy Missiles
49 Frenzy Master Swordsman x Frenzy
50 Honour Guard Master Block x Honour Guard
50 Honour Guard Master Swordsman x Honour Guard
51 Skirmish x x Skirmish
52 Basic Quick Thinker x x Quick Thinker
53 Advanced Quick Thinker Basic Quick Thinker Basic Quick Thinker Advanced Quick Thinker
54 Expert Quick Thinker Advanced Quick Thinker Advanced Quick Thinker Expert Quick Thinker
55 Master Quick Thinker Expert Quick Thinker Expert Quick Thinker Master Quick Thinker
56 Basic Strategist x x Strategist
57 Advanced Strategist Basic Strategist Basic Strategist Advanced Strategist
58 Expert Strategist Advanced Strategist Advanced Strategist Expert Strategist
59 Master Strategist Expert Strategist Expert Strategist Master Strategist
60 Basic Leadership x x Leadership
61 Advanced Leadership Basic Leadership Basic Leadership Advanced Leadership
62 Expert Leadership Advanced Leadership Advanced Leadership Expert Leadership
63 Master Leadership Expert Leadership Expert Leadership Master Leadership
64 Basic Drill x x Drill
65 Advanced Drill Basic Drill Basic Drill Advanced Drill
66 Expert Drill Advanced Drill Advanced Drill Expert Drill
67 Master Drill Expert Drill Expert Drill Master Drill
68 Extra Arrows EQUIPMENT x x Extra Arrows
69 Extra Javelins EQUIPMENT x x Extra Javelins
70 Extra Pilum EQUIPMENT x x Extra Pilum
71 Stronger Bows EQUIPMENT x x Stronger Bows
72 Expert Throwers x x Expert Throwers
73 Basic Stand Firm x x Stand Firm
74 Advanced Stand Firm Basic Stand Firm Basic Stand Firm Advanced Stand Firm
75 Expert Stand Firm Advanced Stand Firm Advanced Stand Firm Expert Stand Firm
76 Master Stand Firm Expert Stand Firm Expert Stand Firm Master Stand Firm
77 Basic Ride Them Down x x Trample
78 Advanced Ride Them Down Basic Ride Them Down Basic Ride Them Down Advanced Trample
79 Expert Ride Them Down Advanced Ride Them Down Advanced Ride Them Down Expert Trample
80 Master Ride Them Down Expert Ride Them Down Expert Ride Them Down Master Trample
81 Basic Anti Cav x x Anti Cavalry Specialist
82 Advanced Anti Cav Basic Anti Cav Basic Anti Cav Advanced Anti Cavalry Specialist
83 Expert Anti Cav Advanced Anti Cav Advanced Anti Cav Expert Anti Cavalry Specialist
84 Master Anti Cav Expert Anti Cav Expert Anti Cav Master Anti Cavalry Specialist
85 Basic Anti Inf x x Anti Infantry Specialist
86 Advanced Anti Inf Basic Anti Inf Basic Anti Inf Advanced Anti Infantry Specialist
87 Expert Anti Inf Advanced Anti Inf Advanced Anti Inf Expert Anti Infantry Specialist
88 Master Anti Inf Expert Anti Inf Expert Anti Inf Master Anti Infantry Specialist
89 Basic Cavalry Defence x x Protection From Cavalry
90 Advanced Cavalry Defence Basic Cavalry Defence Basic Cavalry Defence Advanced Protection From Cavalry
91 Expert Cavalry Defence Advanced Cavalry Defence Advanced Cavalry Defence Expert Protection From Cavalry
92 Master Cavalry Defence Expert Cavalry Defence Expert Cavalry Defence Master Protection From Cavalry
93 Basic Infantry Defence x x Protection From Infantry
94 Advanced Infantry Defence Basic Infantry Defence Basic Infantry Defence Advanced Protection From Infantry
95 Expert Infantry Defence Advanced Infantry Defence Advanced Infantry Defence Expert Protection From Infantry
96 Master Infantry Defence Expert Infantry Defence Expert Infantry Defence Master Protection From Infantry
97 Formation Offensive Mob x x x
98 Formation Defensive Mob x x x
99 Formation Balanced x x Disciplined Formations
100 Basic Anti Ele x x Anti Elephant Specialist
101 Advanced Anti Ele Basic Anti Ele Basic Anti Ele Advanced Anti Elephant Specialist
102 Expert Anti Ele Advanced Anti Ele Advanced Anti Ele Expert Anti Elephant Specialist
103 Master Anti Ele Expert Anti Ele Expert Anti Ele Master Anti Elephant Specialist
104 Formation Offensive Char x x x
105 Formation Defensive Char x x x
106 Formation Wedge x x Advanced Formations
107 Formation Square x x x
108 Sharpened Weapons 1 EQUIPMENT x x Weapons Grade 1
109 Sharpened Weapons 2 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 1 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 1 EQUIPMENT Weapons Grade 2
110 Sharpened Weapons 3 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 2 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 2 EQUIPMENT Weapons Grade 3
111 Hardened Shield 1 EQUIPMENT x x Armour Grade 1
112 Hardened Shield 2 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 1 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 1 EQUIPMENT Armour Grade 2
113 Hardened Shield 3 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 2 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 2 EQUIPMENT Armour Grade 3
114 LighterArmour 1 EQUIPMENT x x Boots Grade 1
115 LighterArmour 2 EQUIPMENT LighterArmour 1 EQUIPMENT LighterArmour 1 EQUIPMENT Boots Grade 2
116 LighterArmour 3 EQUIPMENT LighterArmour 2 EQUIPMENT LighterArmour 2 EQUIPMENT Boots Grade 3
117 Improved Helmet 1 EQUIPMENT x x Helmet Grade 1
118 Improved Helmet 2 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 1 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 1 EQUIPMENT Helmet Grade 2
119 Improved Helmet 3 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 2 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 2 EQUIPMENT Helmet Grade 3
120 Banner 1 EQUIPMENT x x Standard Grade 1
121 Banner 2 EQUIPMENT Banner 1 EQUIPMENT Banner 1 EQUIPMENT Standard Grade 2
122 Banner 3 EQUIPMENT Banner 2 EQUIPMENT Banner 2 EQUIPMENT Standard Grade 3
123 Sharpened Weapons 4 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 3 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 3 EQUIPMENT Weapons Grade 4
123 Sharpened Weapons 4 EQUIPMENT Master Feint x Weapons Grade 4
124 Sharpened Weapons 5 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 4 EQUIPMENT Sharpened Weapons 4 EQUIPMENT Weapons Grade 5
125 Blessed Armour EQUIPMENT Grand Master Swordsman 3 x Achilles' Armour
126 Hardened Shield 4 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 3 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 3 EQUIPMENT Armour Grade 4
126 Hardened Shield 4 EQUIPMENT Master Hardiness x Armour Grade 4
127 Hardened Shield 5 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 4 EQUIPMENT Hardened Shield 4 EQUIPMENT Armour Grade 5
128 Lighter Armour 4 EQUIPMENT Lighter Armour 3 EQUIPMENT Lighter Armour 3 EQUIPMENT Boots Grade 4
128 Lighter Armour 4 EQUIPMENT Master Dodge x Boots Grade 4
129 Lighter Armour 5 EQUIPMENT Lighter Armour 4 EQUIPMENT Lighter Armour 4 EQUIPMENT Boots Grade 5
130 Improved Helmet 4 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 3 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 3 EQUIPMENT Helmet Grade 4
130 Improved Helmet 4 EQUIPMENT Master Parry x Helmet Grade 4
131 Improved Helmet 5 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 4 EQUIPMENT Improved Helmet 4 EQUIPMENT Helmet Grade 5
132 Banner 4 EQUIPMENT Banner 3 EQUIPMENT Banner 3 EQUIPMENT Standard Grade 4
132 Banner 4 EQUIPMENT Master Officers x Standard Grade 4
133 Banner 5 EQUIPMENT Banner 4 EQUIPMENT Banner 4 EQUIPMENT Standard Grade 5
134 Grand Master Swordsman 1 Master Swordsman Master Swordsman Grand Master Swordsman 1
135 Grand Master Swordsman 2 Grand Master Swordsman 1 Grand Master Swordsman 1 Grand Master Swordsman 2
136 Grand Master Swordsman 3 Grand Master Swordsman 2 Grand Master Swordsman 2 Grand Master Swordsman 3
137 Grand Master Marksman 1 Master Marksman Master Marksman Grand Master Marksman 1
138 Grand Master Marksman 2 Grand Master Marksman 1 Grand Master Marksman 1 Grand Master Marksman 2
139 Grand Master Marksman 3 Grand Master Marksman 2 Grand Master Marksman 2 Grand Master Marksman 3
140 Odysseus Bow EQUIPMENT Grand Master Marksman 3 x Odysseus' Bow
141 Ajax Banner EQUIPMENT Master Hardiness x Ajax's Banner
142 Dacian Falx EQUIPMENT Master Big Hit x Dacian Falx
143 Sarmation Cavalry Armour EQUIPMENT Master Ride Them Down x Sarmation Cavalry Armour
144 Teutonic Horses EQUIPMENT Grand Master Swordsman 3 x Teutonic Horses
145 Sarissa EQUIPMENT Master Stand Firm x Sarissa

Posts don't like data copied and pasted from spreadsheets. x = blank.

Vale

M. Spedius Corbulo

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:36 pm

I had one unit equipped with Ajax's banner, but the name struck me as being way out of context, since we are dealing with Romans in LA and not Hellenes.

Also, the same applies to Sarissa Equipment, for Romans???!!!???

Is it possible to change the names of Ajax's Banner, Odysseus' Bow or whatever, ans Sarissa Equipment to appropriate Roman names?? These Greek names would have been good for Spartan and GoT, not LA.

Just wondering.

Magobarca

spedius01 · Post by **spedius01** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:41 pm

magobarca wrote:I had one unit equipped with Ajax's banner, but the name struck me as being way out of context, since we are dealing with Romans in LA and not Hellenes.
Also, the same applies to Sarissa Equipment, for Romans???!!!???
Is it possible to change the names of Ajax's Banner, Odysseus' Bow or whatever, ans Sarissa Equipment to appropriate Roman names?? These Greek names would have been good for Spartan and GoT, not LA.
Just wondering.
Magobarca

Ave Magobarca,

What do you suggest as alternative names for the "Special Equipment" items?

Vale

M. Spedius Corbulo

magobarca · Post by **magobarca** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:14 pm

Roman names:

Ajax's Banner = Banner of Mars, Banner Martius, Banner Horatius, Aquila (correct?) or Legion Eagle, Signum Martius, etc.

Odysses' Bow = Lightning of Jupiter (since the Romans weren't that big on bows), or could keep this one since the Romans were familiar with the Illiad and Odysee (sp?)

Sarissa quipment = Hasta(e) Triarius

etc. Simple changes.

Magobarca