Point of Advantage chart, Impact portion

Skylarker6391 · Post by **Skylarker6391** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:58 pm

In the other two POA (Shooting and Melee) there is a 1 to 1
correlation. In the Impact portion there is a large single + area.
Do the items to the Left cross ref to all of the items in the Right,
ie Impact Foot + against any except skirmishers, elephants, lancers,
battle wagons or non-charging steady pike or spearman ??. The other
end.. ie.. Heavy or Scythed Chariots (only in open terrain) + against
any mounted, unless charging shock mounted.
Thanks.
Robert Parrish
aka skychief

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:21 pm

EDITED: See below.

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:26 pm

MikeK wrote:Yes. It's just grouping all the "Any one of ..." + lines together for readability.

I think MikeK misunderstood the question and at the answer should be "no". Or I misunderstood the question.

Each item on the left is associated only with the corresponding item on the right.

Impact foot are + against any mounted, unless charging shock mounted

The "+ against any except skirmishers, elephants, lancers, battle wagons or non-charging steady pike or spearman" does NOT apply to impact foot, it only applies to heavy or scythed chariots.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:45 pm

check the main rules for a better explanation

OhReally · Post by **OhReally** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:08 am

philqw78 wrote:check the main rules for a better explanation

I was just about to ask this question lol.

I have an army with allot of HW on order, and the chart in the FoG book rules section is different than the chart I printed from the FoG site. The book shows that HW are good against all Foot except Sup Sword and Skirmishers, the chart and the reference chart in the back of the book make it look like there is one huge category which is confusing.

If I understand it correctly the one in the main section of the book is correct and HW are good against any foot but Sup Swords and Skirmish as I only worry about that one column. Is that correct?

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:19 am

I didn't answer the intended question.

I think the simple answer is that each line on the left relates only to the same line continuing on the right.

All the POAs in the QRS "Any of" category are mutually exclusive as written, but the "Any of" QRS box helps avoid confusion by grouping them together. This and the big vertical + box in Impact visually set apart the POAs in the last four lines that can be added to POA from the lines above, making for faster quick reference (once the purpose is clear).

BTW, is anyone seeing any actual substantive difference at all between the book and QRS?

Mike

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:13 am

If I understand it correctly the one in the main section of the book is correct and HW are good against any foot but Sup Swords and Skirmish as I only worry about that one column. Is that correct?

Yes, but Hvy Wpn still cancel better armour of these troops, especially useful against heavily armoured LF

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:12 am

philqw78 wrote:
If I understand it correctly the one in the main section of the book is correct and HW are good against any foot but Sup Swords and Skirmish as I only worry about that one column. Is that correct?
Yes, but Hvy Wpn still cancel better armour of these troops, especially useful against heavily armoured LF

Heavy weapon counts against steady spears and pikes which swordsman does not
It cancels better armour
It does not give a POA at impact against mounted

Overall a BG of unarmoured heavy foot with heavy weapons would actually be pretty good against knights as once the impact is over they fight on an even POA.

Armoured heavy weapons are not at all bad against pike, they are a POA down at impact but even once it gets to melee.

I have checked the QRS and as far as I can see the difference is that the HW melee line does not say "Also cancels", it just says "cancels" but that part of the QRS is rather pushed for space and sometimes the odd word is left out of a QRS. Blame me if you want but I think that it is fine.