Helsinki IWF 5 –Republican Roman Civil War (photos)

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neilhammond
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Helsinki IWF 5 –Republican Roman Civil War (photos)

Post by neilhammond »

I was facing Bill Marlia’s Late Republican Roman. Bill’s army was:

1 FC
2 TCs
2 x 4 LH jav / lt spear average
1 x 4 LH bow average
1 x 4 Gallic HC – undrilled, armoured, superior, lt spear + Sw
4 x 6 veteran legionaries – superior IF + SSw
2 X 6 Spanish MF – average protected IF + Sw
1 x 8 LF slings
1 x 2 Elephants

12 units with an initiative of 2.

My Republican Roman army was:

3 x TCs
3 x 6 HF “Average” Legionaries – armoured IF + sword
3 x 4 HF “Veteran” Legionaries – superior IF + SSw
1 x 4 Spanish LH – unprotected, average, undrilled, javelins, lt spear
1 x 4 Gallic Cv – undrilled, armoured, superior, lt spear + Sw
1 x 6 Bow LF unprotected, average, undrilled, bow
1 x 6 Sling LF unprotected, average, undrilled, sling
1 x Jewish ally TC
1 x 6 Jewish slingers LF unprotected, average, undrilled, sling
2 x 8 Jewish phalanx of the foot MF protected, ave, drilled, off. spear.
Fortified camp

13 units with an initiative of 0.

This game could get tricky because my average legionaries would struggle against Bill’s veterans who would have rerolls and superior sword giving them a +POA in melee. On the plus sides, I had more auxiliary MF which would do okay provided they don’t disrupt against IF at impact.

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With the collapse of Bill’s auxiliary troops holding the village and the rout of the legionaries in the centre, Bill’s army broke. It was a 20-5 win to me.

I found myself in third place just before the final game, and having to face Nik Gaukroger’s Seljuk Turks, who so far had a near-perfect score in this competition. Could I hold onto my 3rd place position, or would my legionaries collapse under a deluge of Seljuk arrows?

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I managed to use to terrain to neutralise some of the edge Bill had with his legionaries, but otherwise the dice marginally went my way, which was enough when both armies are so closely matched.

The final report can be found here: viewtopic.php?t=7116
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Post by SirGarnet »

Thank you for the battle reports and photos. They strikingly show a doctrine consistently applied.

Couple questions:

You consistently use the Jewish contingent for a flank sweep in the tourney rather than try to put them down for match-ups when facing, for example, Knights. Did you reject this because they are taken as MF or because of the value of their speed on the flank and desire to consistently use the flank hook battle plan?

The legionaries seem to start normally in a battleline mostly of columns and used to maneuver before contact. How well did this work out in terms of getting them sorted out in the ultimate line of battle in the order you wanted (average vs. superiors)?

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Post by neilhammond »

MikeK wrote:You consistently use the Jewish contingent for a flank sweep in the tourney rather than try to put them down for match-ups when facing, for example, Knights. Did you reject this because they are taken as MF or because of the value of their speed on the flank and desire to consistently use the flank hook battle plan?
I was prepared to match them against knights, but it generally just worked out that they ended up on the flank. Given I had so little mounted I needed something faster than HF on the outside flank. In the game against Ian McNeil they did take on one of his knight BG.

I didn't want to split the Jewish MF to try and "hunt" knights because, being allied, they could only be bolstered by the ally general. Therefore they really need to operate fairly close together.
MikeK wrote:The legionaries seem to start normally in a battleline mostly of columns and used to maneuver before contact. How well did this work out in terms of getting them sorted out in the ultimate line of battle in the order you wanted (average vs. superiors)?
Starting in column worked fine. Being drilled they can usually expand and advance, so you can micro adjust your frontage even when quite close to the enemy.

In general, the average troops worked fine. I might be tempted to take them as 2x8s rather than have 3x6s. You do have to look after them a bit, but generally they are fine. Often in an open comp the superior sword capability is wasted (although being superior is always useful).

If using the LRR again, which I'd be comfortable doing, I'd probably look at the following:

- make the CinC a FC (poss an IC to try and control terrain better)
- take 12 cav / LH, and thereby get your aggression to 2 (or 3 if using an IC)
- you need something that can worry knights & cataphracts - possibly Elephants, possibly taking thureophoroi as HF

I'd probably not take the Armenian allies because the Armenian cats chew up so many points, as do the legionaries.
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