probable erratum in painting section

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:47 am

I noticed that the section in the rules on painting mentions "PVC glue" a couple of times.

This is glue for sticking polyvinyl chloride, e.g. PVC plumbing pipe.

I think it should be "PVA glue"

This is polyvinyl alcohol*, and commonly used for the purposes described in the text.

* Do NOT try to drink it.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:50 am

lawrenceg wrote:* Do NOT try to drink it.

Why? Would you come to a sticky end?

babyshark · Post by **babyshark** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:38 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
lawrenceg wrote:* Do NOT try to drink it.
Why? Would you come to a sticky end?

As a moderator I feel I should step in here . . . .

Marc

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:10 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
lawrenceg wrote:* Do NOT try to drink it.
Why? Would you come to a sticky end?

Only if it was glühwein...

jdm · Post by **jdm** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:51 pm

Well

I have to confess it is a typo but our proof reader is to stuckup to admit it

JDM

ars_belli · Post by **ars_belli** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:26 pm

Bit of a sticky wicket, eh?

Cheers,
Scott

flameberge · Post by **flameberge** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:23 pm

I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but what is PVA glue? I read in various gaming books (all made from the UK) about the use of PVA glue but have never heard of it other than in gaming books. So I go into the hardware store and ask where I can find PVA glue. The guy looks at me like I'm from another planet and asks what is PVA glue? Uhh.. well, I read about it in a book but don't know.

So is PVA glue like Elmer's white glue or maybe wood glue?

peterrjohnston · Post by **peterrjohnston** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:49 pm

I know it better as white glue. Used for paper or wood. When it sets it's fairly clear.

Don't drink it though...

OhReally · Post by **OhReally** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:14 pm

peterrjohnston wrote:I know it better as white glue. Used for paper or wood. When it sets it's fairly clear.

Don't drink it though...

It is to thick to drink properly, but its pretty tasty mixed with some glitter...

pezhetairoi · Post by **pezhetairoi** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:49 pm

PVA is not the same as white glue.

PVA is flexible, non yellowing, and waterproof when dry. Its also "conservation friendly" according to my wife who works at the City Archives.
White glue can yellow overtime, often becomes brittle, and can usually be dissolved with water and soap.
White glue costs much less, and will usually do the job for us model makers.

PVA is hard to find in Canada, and I assume also in the USA. People from the UK mention it often, I can only assume its more common there.
If you are looking for PVA in Canada try: Carr McLean, or University Products.
If you are looking for PVA in USA: Archival Supplies, .... ?

A bookmaking/fine paper supplier may carry it also.

There are other alternatives to PVA. You can use Acrylic mediums from an art supply store, they have very similar properties and are very adhesive. Just be careful to pick the right viscosity (thick/thin) and lustre (gloss/matt).

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:31 pm

Amazing what you learn on these forums - I always assumes PVA and White Glue were the same thing

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:38 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Amazing what you learn on these forums - I always assumes PVA and White Glue were the same thing

Since lookinginto this in more detail I have discovered that PVA is sometimes polyvinyl alcohol, which (I suspect)would be the "high-tech" glue (also known as PVOH), but it is more often polyvinyl acetate, which is "white glue". Often you will find PVA mentioned in the small print on your white glue bottle.

Anyway, "white glue" is the thing to use for basing your figures.

PVA(cetate) is non-toxic, but white glue sometimes contains anti-fungal additives, which might not be good for you.

jez · Post by **jez** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:41 pm

As a Tech Teacher I can confirm that in the uk PVA is white glue, however although there are many similarities the quality of white glue, marvin medium and the like it is of poor quality.

Frankly I would recommend buying a good quality glue such as Bostik rather than cheap stuff.

As an aside although it lists it as water soluble it really isn't it might make it a little soft but it will have to soak for days to have an appreciable effect

Regards

jez

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:51 pm

In the US, or at least the Western US, a chain called Michael's Arts and Crafts usually has in each store an aisle of materials for making long-term scrapbooks. This includes archival-quality non-yellowing papers and adhesives. I am guessing this would be a good place to look for this adhesive.

Once again, we see that american english and british english are different, and furthermore products which may be readily available in one place can be rare or even illegal in another place.

Right, now, repeat after me, the boot is the trunk, the bonnet is the hood, pissed means drunk not angry, and when your friend asks you for a rubber, she means an eraser not a condom.

And we will not even discuss the horrors of Bovril, except to say it's marginally less disgusting than Vegimite.

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