Dark Ages

[whitehorses]

Noticed on the FoG website last night that 2009's first 2 tomes will be Chariot armies & the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages
seemed to be covering the whole gamut of the Dark Ages from Romano-British to the Vikings to the Normans.

I'm curious to know whether the Normans are included as the end of the Dark Ages, or whether it covers Feudal England to include the Angevins & Plantaganets as well?


Cheers,
XenaJer

[robertthebruce]

Normans in the Dark Ages Books, are covered until 1071.


Angevins & Plantaganets will be included in the Feudal Book.


Cheers.

David

[whitehorses]

Ah, thought they might be.

Curious year to stop LOL
Why 1071?
Or is that when the Normans started building Castles in England & uniting England from its fractured set of mini-kingdoms?
And do the Normans get Knights, or will they start in the Feudal era?


Cheers,
XenaJer

[philqw78]

Battle of Manzikert??

[whitehorses]

I thought that was the Byzantines?

[philqw78]

But they were around in the dark ages

[whitehorses]

So were lots of Kingdoms *s*
I'm just saying it seems a bit bizarre to start the Normans off & then abruptly cut them off 5 years after they took over England. If you're going to have a cut-off date, may as well go with the last Saxon revolt in 1075, or the "Harrying of the North" in 1069


Cheers,
XenaJer

[philqw78]

But a list books end dates are about putting new armies in, not how long you can use the ones already in there. I'm sure the Saxon Army of 1075 is in the book, the same as the saxon army of 1066. However, if a new saxon army order of battle and fighting style appeared in 1072 it wouldn't be.

[spike]

Battle of Manzikert??

Also the Last Stand of Hereward the Wake (on the Isle of Ely), so the the final end of Anglo Saxon England (and the traditional end of the "Dark Ages" for the English speaking world,) and the traditional beginning of the Medaeval Period.

[Ninthplain]

I beleive that there were more Normans than the one's that went to England in 1066.

I beleive that the date of 1071 probably pertains to the Sicilean Normans that took Bari or Palermo from the Muslims.

If you were going to put a stop to the Dark age Norman army list and bring them into the next grouping, 1071 appears to be a historical year to make that switch or end them. After 1071 the version, or the allowed allies and troops, changed to allow for other troop types. The fighting style began to change at this point based on your local. IMHO

Osprey has an excellent book specific to the Normans which discusses all variants.

<BRIAN>

[whitehorses]

Ah, that makes more sense
Manzikert seemed a tad of a stretch Taking Sicily is deffo a reason for a cut off date though


Cheers,
XenaJer

[whitehorses]

Battle of Manzikert??

Also the Last Stand of Hereward the Wake (on the Isle of Ely), so the the final end of Anglo Saxon England (and the traditional end of the "Dark Ages" for the English speaking world,) and the traditional beginning of the Medaeval Period.

There was a Saxon Noble(possibly the last) who revolted with assorted Norman Earls I believe in 1075, & was executed in 1076.
Harsh fellows, these Normans!

[robertthebruce]

Curious year to stop LOL
Why 1071?
Or is that when the Normans started building Castles in England & uniting England from its fractured set of mini-kingdoms?

Are covered until the effective end of English resistance to Norman Conquest.

And do the Normans get Knights, or will they start in the Feudal era?

Cavalry before 1041, and Knights from the same date.

I beleive that the date of 1071 probably pertains to the Sicilean Normans that took Bari or Palermo from the Muslims.

Normans in Italy will be covered by Italo-Norman list, in Feudal Book.


Regards.

David