Fortifications - Front Edge

[philqw78]

If I turn to a flank when behind fortifications where is my front edge?

[dave_r]

If I turn to a flank when behind fortifications where is my front edge?

As clarified - the direction the BG is facing and not where the fortifications are.

[philqw78]

But can I then be charged in my flank over the fortifications?
If so do I get any POA for being behind the fortifications?

[petedalby]

Clearly covered on page 129 Phil

[timmy1]

Pete, surely Phil is not reduced to actually reading the rules...

[gozerius]

Actually, he raises a good point because a BG in side edge contact with a FF is defending it, and the fourth bullet says that the front edge of the FF is treated as the front edge of the defending BG, "including for measuring shooting ranges" .
This is important when the BG in question is missile capable, since it would seem to have two front edges, and if so, one could legitimately claim that the RAW permits shooting across the FF as if the BG were facing it.
Probably not what was intended, but there it is.
Oh. I guess I'm back. I'm such a whore.

[lawrenceg]

It is for shooting ranges (incoming and outgoing), but not for shooting arcs.

[petedalby]

Oh. I guess I'm back. I'm such a whore.

Welcome back!

Yes - you are quite right, some players have tried to claim this in games - hence it was included in the clarifications for Portable Obstacles. We could have made the same point for FFs as well but the same principle applies.

[philqw78]

Oh. I guess I'm back. I'm such a whore.

Must be the excitement because it can't be the money

Pete, surely Phil is not reduced to actually reading the rules...

Not really Pete pm'd me and then I got him to read them for me

[timmy1]

My faith is restored - Phil will get someone to do most anything for him, except drink his beer...

[petedalby]

Done that too....

[gozerius]

So, you see? You are not following the RAW.
You are making an interpretation based on the what you feel was the author's intent.
A better edit would have been to simply say a BG defending FF counts the front edge of the FF as the edge of the defending BG.
But I'm sure that the authors were only considering a BG with its front covered by the FF.

[petedalby]

You are making an interpretation based on the what you feel was the author's intent.

Absolutely 100% correct. That is exactly what we have done on this and several other issues where the RAW cause problems for players and umpires at competitions.

And to give us confidence that we were making the right call, we ran the entire document past one of the original authors still active in FOG prior to its publication. His view was that all of the clarifications were sensible and positive. Richard is running a FOG event next weekend and he has already confirmed his intention to use our clarifications for V2 A&M.

But as we have already stated numerous times - you don't have to be bound by them if you don't wish to.

[philqw78]

Phil will get someone to do most anything for him, except drink his beer

Done that too....

You must owe me a beer then Pete

[petedalby]

You must owe me a beer then Pete

Maybe....

Maybe not...

[hazelbark]

And good thing too Pete, picking up the standard where the authors have let it lie. I wish they would sign of plenipotentiary power to you on these rules.

You are making an interpretation based on the what you feel was the author's intent.

Absolutely 100% correct. That is exactly what we have done on this and several other issues where the RAW cause problems for players and umpires at competitions.

And to give us confidence that we were making the right call, we ran the entire document past one of the original authors still active in FOG prior to its publication. His view was that all of the clarifications were sensible and positive. Richard is running a FOG event next weekend and he has already confirmed his intention to use our clarifications for V2 A&M.

But as we have already stated numerous times - you don't have to be bound by them if you don't wish to.

[petedalby]

And good thing too Pete

I appreciate that Dan - thanks very much - but it was very much a team effort and we all made compromises to get to where we are now.

They are probably too late for you guys in the States as you explore ADLG but hopefully we'll still be here if you find they don't pass muster.