LF Evading with Interpenetration, V2

[bbotus]

I'd like to make sure I'm reading the rules on pages 49 and 50 like everyone else.

In the first photo the LF are in front of their infantry but angled to them. A frontal charge is declared on the LF and they choose to evade directly to their rear.


Since it is evading, it is exempt from passing through in the same or opposite direction to that faced by the BGs it is interpenetrating. It has enough move to clear the HF but not enough to clear the MF. Since it reaches the MF, it is moved all the way through and ends it move as in the 2nd photo.


Have I missed anything?

[petedalby]

Nice photos - well done.

And yes, all looks good to me.

[philqw78]

If it reaches something it goes through it. If it doesn't it stops. Also if there is something on the other side of the BG it reaches that its move doesn't reach it then can't go through anything

[zeitoun]

Hi,

if the LF just reached the HF ( and not the MF) during the evade. In my opinion they must Brusting through them without droping one cohesion level, ( as per evade move p72) .

As if they haven't room beyond the HF , they are destoyed and removed from the table ( as per Bursting through p 51 )

[petedalby]

I am sorry but I believe you are mistaken.

Page 72 - 2nd bullet - It interpenetrates friends if allowed to do so. Since it is LF it can interpenetrate so we now move to the Interpenetration section on Page 49.

Here we have the last bullet - "If a BG does not have sufficient move distance....(otherwise it cannot pass through at all.)"

The 2nd bullet on Page 50 - "It is LF with sufficient move to reach any part of the BG....."

So it either goes all the way through both BGs or stops in front of the HF.

[zeitoun]

hi Pete,

P72 : " if the above would not allow all front rank bases to complete their evade move the battle group ......."

and P50, [ not that this only applies to permitted interpenetrations... Brust throughs are deal with as below]

The question is : If the LF couldn't pass all the front rank due to friendly troop during the evade move ( evade , encounter MF, Interpenetrated MF, But can not pass all the front rank ) it could be count as a Burst through????
If so then it is destroyed??

[petedalby]

P72 : " if the above would not allow all front rank bases to complete their evade move the battle group ......."

But you never get this far. They are LF - they can interpenetrate. Therefore you read the interpenetration rules on P49.

The section you are quoting only applies if they are not LF.

[zeitoun]

thanks Pete, but can you give me one case when you must BURST THROUGH with a troop who can interpenetrate ??? Because if I accept you reasoning you may never BUrst throught during a evade if there isn't room beyond ?

[petedalby]

thanks Pete, but can you give me one case when you must BURST THROUGH with a troop who can interpenetrate ???

I am sorry Olivier - I don't think I can - no.

Page 72 - last sentence - "Note that BGs passed through by evaders who can normally interpenetrate them do not count as burst though." This is exactly the same as it was in V1.

There are lots of occasions when a BG may burst through through friends - but only if it is not a legal interpenetration. If the evader / router is LF - then the friends will never be burst through as LF can pass through any troops in any direction.

[philqw78]

I can.

If a LF BG evade through, for example, single rank cavalry then the cavalry also want to evade whatever nasty charged the LF. If the Cavalry evade is far enough they cannot interpenetrate the LF as it interpentrated them this phase. So the cav burst through the LF

[petedalby]

Excellent - thanks Phil.

[zeitoun]

Thanks Phil, i'll try to understand but I'm only a french guy

I think that you must make all the evade's move before the charge's move.... SO You declare charge on the LF , they decide to evade. Charger made a VMD who can touch the CV, who decided to evade too. Then move the CV, Move the LF and Move the chargers???

And if you cannot interpenetrated a BG that interpenetrated you in the same turn , why made a Burst Through instead of stopping before interpenetrated..?

In the first example , what happened if you replace the LF by a CV ? Burst through the HF and destryed the CV whitout test for the HF and the MF for seeing friends ?

Best regards.

[philqw78]

The LF must do their evade move before the cavalry as the cavalry are not a target of a charge until the LF have evaded.

The LF evade. The chargers roll a VMD but do not yet move since the cavalry decide to evade first. They reach the LF. Troops that cannot be legally interpenetrated by eavders are instead burst through (unless you can drop bases or shift to avoid)

Or

The LF evade, the cavalry who are disrupted stand to take the charge. The cavalry break in the impact phase due to double cohesion loss, scored 2 on CT. They make their VMD and reach/pass the LF whom they must burst through as the LF already interpenetrated them this phase making this interpenetration illegal, same as above.

[philqw78]

As for the first eaxample I can't see the photos Olivier, so can only pass a general thought.

If cavalry are to the front and evading they must burst through things they cannot interpenetrate. (HF)

However, If the cannot get out of the other side due to obstruction they don't go through at all so will normally get caught up the bum.

[zeitoun]

As for the first eaxample I can't see the photos Olivier, so can only pass a general thought.

If cavalry are to the front and evading they must burst through things they cannot interpenetrate. (HF)

However, If the cannot get out of the other side due to obstruction they don't go through at all so will normally get caught up the bum.

Thanks, but I think your wrong , because if the Cav must burst through the HF and if there isn't room for it beyond she is destroyed... P51.. and if it's the sentence for the Cav , i don't see why it's different for the LF. In one case th HF drop one level ( for CV) and in the other case ( LF) the HF don't drop one level.

need perhaps clarification... !!!!

Thanks a lot for the time spend to answer.

[philqw78]

At home now so can see the rules and the pictures.

You are correct about cavalry as any troops bursting through that cannot clear are destroyed. However in the situation that started this it was LF who were not bursting through but legally interpenetrating

[zeitoun]

thanks Phil and Pete.

Good game.