Few questions about mountain units?

[borsook79]

1. What bonuses do they get to movement in hills and in mountains?

2. Do they lose their bonuses if they have some transport purchased?

3. Do they get any bonuses to combat in hills/mountains?

Thanks in advance!

[ThvN]

1. What bonuses do they get to movement in hills and in mountains?

Check the ingame library, the movement types and costs are shown there. The mountain units use the 'pickaxe' movement type instead of the 'leg' type, and the difference is that they only use one movement point in hills, mountains and high mountains. 'Leg' movement on the other hand costs 2 points per hex in hills, and requires all movement to enter mountains and high mountains.

If it's muddy or frozen the costs are different, but pickaxe is still better in most categories (except muddy hills, which are 2 points like the leg type)

2. Do they lose their bonuses if they have some transport purchased?

Yes. They use the movement cost of their transport, and its movement limitations dictate where the unit can go.

3. Do they get any bonuses to combat in hills/mountains?

Not that I know of. They are like cavalry (which has 'horseshoe' type movement) : they are just an infantry unit, but with another type of movement.

In very hilly or mountainous terrain, I deploy them without transport (I delete this during the deployment phase), to profit from their movement type.

[borsook79]

Thanks a lot, I'd like to clarify this:

2. Do they lose their bonuses if they have some transport purchased?

Yes. They use the movement cost of their transport, and its movement limitations dictate where the unit can go.

I meant the situation when they do not use the transport actively i.e. let's they move just 2 hexes away, so in other words does mere possession of a transport cancel the bonuses?

[Horseman]

Yes mere possession of a transport is enough

Any unit that has a transport always pays the higher of the 2 types when entering any type of terrain.

For example if you give any infantry any sort of transport they can no longer enter heavy woods

[Magic1111]

In very hilly or mountainous terrain, I deploy them without transport (I delete this during the deployment phase), to profit from their movement type.

I´m playing the GC from the Beginning in´39 to actual in the middle of the GC ´44 (East) and I don´t have one situation yet, where I needed absolutely a mountain unit without a transport-vehicle! Maybe except in the Norway Scenarios, but actually not!

[fliegenderstaub]

Oleh Dir (Gebirgsjäger, Movement +3) is very useful especially in Norway as you can imagine... He eases up those scenarios very much.

[borsook79]

Oleh Dir (Gebirgsjäger, Movement +3) is very useful especially in Norway as you can imagine... He eases up those scenarios very much.

This hero is basically a cheat, he breaks the balance of the game (giving speed similar to tanks but with infantry capabilities for close terrain), I always disband him at once.

[Horst]

This hero is basically a cheat, he break the balance of the game (giving speed similar to tanks but with infantry capabilities for close terrain), I always disband him at once.

You got my sympathies!
I'm afraid there will be more superheroes coming with such godly powers. I've already spent quite some time modifying the DLC campaigns, replacing personalities, retweaking their stats and turning each superhero core unit into an auxilary one. Can't help but these unique heroes simply ruin the fun of building up your own bunch of random hero units. I understand they were possibly included as a compensation for high difficulty or bad strategists who constantly loose heroic units, but anyway. I don't want have these superdudes in my core anymore either.

[borsook79]

This hero is basically a cheat, he break the balance of the game (giving speed similar to tanks but with infantry capabilities for close terrain), I always disband him at once.

You got my sympathies!
I'm afraid there will be more superheroes coming with such godly powers. I've already spent quite some time modifying the DLC campaigns, replacing personalities, retweaking their stats and turning each superhero core unit into an auxilary one. Can't help but these unique heroes simply ruin the fun of building up your own bunch of random hero units. I understand they were possibly included as a compensation for high difficulty or bad strategists who constantly loose heroic units, but anyway. I don't want have these superdudes in my core anymore either.

considering you can switch the difficulty level after each and every map such means are not needed... I feel that's opportunity wasted - those heroes could have some unique stats different from normal heroes, but not this overpowered! Honestly I can't imagined how designed could thought giving ONE hero +3 INT and + 3 Move so making him better than normal 3 heroes put together is a good idea... Sure I can and will delete them, but I would like seeing some interesting historical names this way, just without the balance breaking stats.

[robman]

I just encountered "Oleh Dir" for the first time, when I started a replay of GC39 after the release 1.21. What sort of unit is "he" supposed to represent? The closest thing I've seen to date is the Finnish ski troop unit from Winterkrieg, which if memory serves has "pickaxe" movement of roughly the same number of points. But that's a campaign where there is always snow on the ground. In Poland in September, Oleh is not on skis. Is this mountain cavalry of some sort? Or is just pure fantasy? If there is some historical justification for keeping him, I will, but if he's a superhero out of World of Warcraft, I'll disband him.

[borsook79]

I just encountered "Oleh Dir" for the first time, when I started a replay of GC39 after the release 1.21. What sort of unit is "he" supposed to represent? The closest thing I've seen to date is the Finnish ski troop unit from Winterkrieg, which if memory serves has "pickaxe" movement of roughly the same number of points. But that's a campaign where there is always snow on the ground. In Poland in September, Oleh is not on skis. Is this mountain cavalry of some sort? Or is just pure fantasy? If there is some historical justification for keeping him, I will, but if he's a superhero out of World of Warcraft, I'll disband him.

He's rather the latter... plus his unit is just an ordinary inf unit, so you can upgrade it to Pioneers with move 5

[Horst]

I've done some research about all the "heroes" in the DLCs. "Oleh Dir", what a weird name anyway, only pops up in a top sniper ranking list but nowhere else as far as I have looked around. I don't want to say he's a fictive sniper, like possibly Erwin König and Heinz Thorvald. I'm just curious about this guy in which regiment he served and if he survived the war. I've replaced him and his unit with a cavalry one because of lack of info about him.

For those wondering, German mountain troops participated in the invasion of Poland. The 1st and 2nd Gebirgsdivision operated in the more mountainous southern sector from Slovakia. Lodz was most likely not the proper battlefield, but oh well. It is our own non-historical core army anyway

[borsook79]

I've done some research about all the "heroes" in the DLCs. "Oleh Dir", what a weird name anyway, only pops up in a top sniper ranking list but nowhere else as far as I have looked around. I don't want to say he's a fictive sniper, like possibly Erwin König and Heinz Thorvald. I'm just curious about this guy in which regiment he served and if he survived the war. I've replaced him and his unit with a cavalry one because of lack of info about him.

For those wondering, German mountain troops participated in the invasion of Poland. The 1st and 2nd Gebirgsdivision operated in the more mountainous southern sector from Slovakia. Lodz was most likely not the proper battlefield, but oh well. It is our own non-historical core army anyway

Yes, they were used, and through the war sometimes they were used in different terrain, later, similar to Fallschirmjäger they were just treated as elite infantry. So the "problem" is not the unit or obscure hero, just the crazy stats.

[danijocker90]

Oleh DIr was an sniper, as far as i know. In this game when you need to represent a sniper it uses the Gebirgsjäger (the little icon and sounds even shows that easily).


[ Waffen SS Sniper -- Oleh Dir ]