BOSWORTH FIELD 1485

[fogman]

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Bankrolled by the French monarchy, the last standing Lancastrian pretender, Henry Tudor, had landed after fifteen years of exile. Three armies converged on Bosworth: Henry's, the unpopular king Richard III's, the last Plantagenet, and the uncommitted Stanley brothers', the eldest of whom had married Henry's widowed mother, the great-great-grand-daughter of Edward III, Margaret Beaufort, through whom Henry derived his tenuous Lancastrian claim. On 22 August 1485 Henry's army under John de Vere, the earl of Oxford, advanced to be met head-on by John Howard, the duke of Norfolk. As the two foot masses battled, Richard mounted a charge against the person of Henry, hoping to put a quick end to the battle. He did not count of the intervention of Sir William Stanley who at this crucial juncture opted for open treason...

Designer's notes:

the battle is dominated in the chronicles by Richard's charge against Henry. it is obvious also that this action is independent of the infantry battle between oxford and norfolk. the design is based on these two observations.

large numbers of troops remained uncommitted: richard's third division under northumberland, and the elder Stanley's. they are not included.

numerous objective counters were used, on the infantry side, to help prolong the fight which was usually quite lengthy in that period as well as to dissuade players from delaying contact, and on the cavalry side, to denote the extreme importance of the person of Henry.

french mercenary pikemen are rated offensive spears. they have accompanying firearms.

62 moving BG's, 10 turns.

[Micha63]

Thank you .

[Turk1964]

I've just played this scenario and have to say it is totally ridiculous . Impassable terrain making the battle field look like a series of farmers stone fences. Camp baggage strewn through out the battle field easy pickings for whom ever reached them first. Totally unplayable and worst scenario I have ever seen. Il can see what you were tying to portray but the battlefield is like playing a game of Pac man

[fogman]

I've just played this scenario and have to say it is totally ridiculous . Impassable terrain making the battle field look like a series of farmers stone fences. Camp baggage strewn through out the battle field easy pickings for whom ever reached them first. Totally unplayable and worst scenario I have ever seen. Il can see what you were tying to portray but the battlefield is like playing a game of Pac man

thank you for your penetrating insight, historical discernment, and gracious sentiment. next.

[Turk1964]

No worries man You still haven't explained what all the sheep pens are about though?

[stockwellpete]

No worries man You still haven't explained what all the sheep pens are about though?

Or why Henry Tudor's gee-gees wouldn't move. I always thought it was Richard III who said, "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse". But in this scenario it is Henry who says it. The funny thing about our game was that both Henry Tudor and Richard III died in the same melee on the same turn. Was it a suicide pact? Was the thought of running the kingdom just too much for the poor dears, or was it the embarrassment of being stuck in a game of pacman? Alas, we will never know.

[fogman]

so people know:

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Trolls often go by the moniker 'turk1964' or 'stockwellpete'.

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[Turk1964]

Well Excuse me fella!! I Actually played out the full scenario with a friend whom invited me to play. So my comments although according to you are worthless are based on the fact I played the Actual scenario. If your going to come back at me accusing me of being a "Troller*,then best you look at yourself. If your going to put scenarios up for people to play then you should be prepared for criticism. The minute you get any negative feed back you go into a holy than though attitude as though you were at the battle. You must therefore be thousands of years old. I know you think of people like me as uneducated Plebs but I can assure you that although I don't have access to all the information that you seem to have I am by no means an idiot. Be very careful accusing people of sad behaviour for it may come back and bite you matey.

[fogman]

People who write scenarios do it for the love of history and the game. they do it on their own time, and offer it free for the benefit of the community at large. look at all the scenarios that have been offered and look at the comments on them for a template of a harmonious community of like minded people. people appreciate the effort regardless of whether they like the product or not. it is common courtesy and decency not to blast something that is a labour of love that is offered in good will to you for free, and which you are not obligated to receive. you have every right to feel aggrieved by a product you paid for but to go out of your way to ridicule a good will gesture with such coarse language requires a high degree of malice.

Criticizing a product is one thing, to do it in your manner demands and strong response. the language was very offensive and the justifications non existent. you never bothered to understand what the design was trying to achieve. i have written extensive designer's notes on the use of various aspects of design that i have introduced over the past few months. if you wanted to offer a meaningful opinion, negative or not, you have to at a minimum inform yourself, or at least, ask for clarifications. that was what alzado77 did for gaugamela when he was surprised by the use of impassible terrain. my argument with another fellow on the mantineia thread is a model of respectful interaction. i don't have a problem with people pointing aspects they do not agree with, provided they are willing to engage in a real conversation. that is in the records. to criticize something you do not understand, or bothered to understand, is intellectual laziness. to use mocking language with offensive hyperboles in doing so raises it a level that only deserves contempt.

ps: and by the way, stockwellpete, it wasn't richard who said 'my kingdom for a horse', it was shakespeare who put it in his mouth. do not mix fantasy with history. oh wait...

[stockwellpete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkqk-tNzdSM

[Brenmusik]

Excellent! I laughed out loud

[Turk1964]

I don't see many players congratulating you on a job well done. Really if all you can come back with is an attack on peoples intelligence then you are a very sad individual indeed. Why is that your version of History is more correct than any one else's? You have presented a lemon my friend so suck it up and move on .

[fogman]

I don't see many players congratulating you on a job well done. Really if all you can come back with is an attack on peoples intelligence then you are a very sad individual indeed. Why is that your version of History is more correct than any one else's? You have presented a lemon my friend so suck it up and move on .

huh? what? well, i feel pretty good and contented about myself after today. as for congratulations on my postings, it's not in the style of this section to give or to expect. go through the threads and have a look to, you know, inform yourself. they must all be lemons, including the ones by our good friend stockwellpete!