Battle of Cerignola 1503 . . .

[stockwellpete]

. . . will be available in a couple of days time. I will be playtesting it with Turk1964 tomorrow. I found this, which was very helpful . . .

http://pikeandplunder.vexillia.ltd.uk/2 ... nario.html

EDIT:

Here we go. Version 2 already, version 1 was rubbish!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/154 ... 20PWv2.zip

[ZeaBed]

Those slides of the table-top setup were breathtaking, slide 13 even has the entire OOB and a unit placement map. Table-top wargamers have to be the most dedicated of gamers. Looking at the early slides I was wondering how they were going to get Gonzalo and his allies over that river barrier. Great link. Thanks.

[stockwellpete]

Yes, there are some absolutely stunning photographs there. When I do these scenarios I don't really feel the need to "re-invent the wheel" with my researches. if it looks like people know what they are doing and have done their own research then I am quite happy to "piggy-back" them and use their ideas to create a FOG scenario. The main purpose is, of course, to provide new and exciting scenarios for players to try - and maybe it will result in some players reading up a bit more on the period. The people running this "pike and plunder" site have a section where they provide a select bibliography of books on Renaissance warfare. I have got Thomas Arnold's book here now and I have read the Michael Mallet book "Mercenaries and their Masters"; I see he has co-written a much newer book on the Italian Wars (second from bottom of the list) which I shall try and get a copy of, I think . . .

The Grand Captain by Gerald de Gaury (Longmans, Green and Co, 1955).
A History of the Art of War in the Sixteenth Century by Sir Charles Oman (Greenhill Books, 1987).
Mercenaries and Their Masters by Michael Mallet (Rowman and Littlefield, 1974).
The Art of War in Italy 1494-1529 by Frederick Taylor (Partizan Press, 1993).
Renaissance Battles 1494 – 1700 Vol. 1 by Peter Sides (Gosling Press, 1996).
The Renaissance at War by Thomas Arnold (Cassell, 2001).
Weapons and Warfare in Renaissance Europe by Bert S Hall (The Johns Hopkins University Press, 2001).
The Battle of Pavia by Catherine Whistler (Ashmolean Museum, 2003).
The Art of Renaissance Warfare by Stephen Turnbull (Greenhill Books, 2006).
The Italian Wars 1494-1559 by Michael Mallet & Christine Shaw (Pearson, 2012)
The Art of War In Italy 1494-1529 by F L Taylor (Forgotten Books, 2009).

[ZeaBed]

I clicked on the "Talk" tab in the wikipedia article for this battle. A lot of discussion there and argument about sourcing from some passionate researchers. The Talk discussion on Wiki Kadesh is even thicker and faster! Interesting. Imagine having one of those fellows design or critique a FoG scenario! It would be a roller coaster!

[stockwellpete]

I clicked on the "Talk" tab in the wikipedia article for this battle. A lot of discussion there and argument about sourcing from some passionate researchers. The Talk discussion on Wiki Kadesh is even thicker and faster! Interesting. Imagine having one of those fellows design or critique a FoG scenario! It would be a roller coaster!

Blimey - if they critiqued a few of mine then I would probably have to leave the country! This Cerignola battle is developing OK and should be ready at the weekend. I think it is going to need some historical "house rules" to ensure that there is an echelon attack but the initial problems with the terrain and arquebusiers that myself and Turk encountered have largely been sorted out now.

[ZeaBed]

Don't feel too bad about cerignola, Pete. If the Kadesh crowd got a hold of mine they would throw the kitchen sink at it! Ken Kitchen's sink that is.

[stockwellpete]

Now available in first post of the thread.

[ZeaBed]

Straight to version 2. I look forward to give it a look, as I do with all your scenarios. Thanks for this and the (other) recent updates.

[stockwellpete]

Straight to version 2. I look forward to give it a look, as I do with all your scenarios. Thanks for this and the (other) recent updates.

Making it version 2 was a bit of a "typo" really. Me and Turk1964 and have had a couple of play-tests and we think it might need tweaking a little bit towards the Spanish. What might be done is to make their sword and buckler men "superior" as they would be really good troops to defend fortifications. We'll wait for some more feedback before making any change though.

[ZeaBed]

Straight to version 2. I look forward to give it a look, as I do with all your scenarios. Thanks for this and the (other) recent updates.

Making it version 2 was a bit of a "typo" really. Me and Turk1964 and have had a couple of play-tests and we think it might need tweaking a little bit towards the Spanish. What might be done is to make their sword and buckler men "superior" as they would be really good troops to defend fortifications. We'll wait for some more feedback before making any change though.

I see that the revision obsession is contagious! Good! FoG is the ideal vehicle for it, also for multiple variants of the same scenarios. Tabletop guys can't do several versions of the same battle. Of course, we don't have those gorgeous figurines. But we all know that Renaissance soldiers didn't really move around with square clumps of earth stuck to their feet. Lol.

[ZeaBed]

Pete, I downloaded each of your latest versions of Cerignola and Seminara last night, installed them and brought them up just to check them out. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's Cerignola, has Side 1 and Side 2 representation for combatants and the menu introduction is a very terse sequence of actions. Just FYI.

[stockwellpete]

Pete, I downloaded each of your latest versions of Cerignola and Seminara last night, installed them and brought them up just to check them out. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's Cerignola, has Side 1 and Side 2 representation for combatants and the menu introduction is a very terse sequence of actions. Just FYI.

Yes, I have just noticed that myself, Zeabed. Thanks. I will update it along with anything else next week sometime.

EDIT: I think I am going a bit doo-lally because I have found a load more stuff stored on Dropbox that is not on my scenario list. There are a number of "barbarian" scenarios (5thC AD) that I did with Frank and Sagrajas 1086 that I have probably stolen from someone else. There are a few other bits and pieces too. More later . . .

A-ha, Sagrajas is one of your ones, Zeabed.

[ZeaBed]

Pete, I downloaded each of your latest versions of Cerignola and Seminara last night, installed them and brought them up just to check them out. One of them, I'm pretty sure it's Cerignola, has Side 1 and Side 2 representation for combatants and the menu introduction is a very terse sequence of actions. Just FYI.

Yes, I have just noticed that myself, Zeabed. Thanks. I will update it along with anything else next week sometime.

EDIT: I think I am going a bit doo-lally because I have found a load more stuff stored on Dropbox that is not on my scenario list. There are a number of "barbarian" scenarios (5thC AD) that I did with Frank and Sagrajas 1086 that I have probably stolen from someone else. There are a few other bits and pieces too. More later . . .

A-ha, Sagrajas is one of your ones, Zeabed.

Iirc you were going to do or actually did an alternative scenario on Sagrajas. If you did, you should go ahead and post it.

[stockwellpete]

Right, I have found the following on Dropbox that I had just left there and forgotten about. They have been put on the forum before (most of them anyway) and I am fairly certain that they are all joint collaborations with frankpowerful. They are . . .

The Frigidus 394
Chalons 451
Soissons 486
River Ulcea 488
Verona 489
Isonzo 489
The Adda 490

Then there are some other oddsnsods . . . two hypothetical Ottoman scenarios called "Muradian Encounters 1 and 2"; an alternative depiction of an Irish army in a hypothetical scenario; and an alternative depiction of a Teutonic Knights army called "Battle of Ardaeshir", which is named after a FOG player who had really studied the Teutonic knights.

EDIT: I also have an unfinished version of Grunwald-Tannenberg that I was working on with Frank.

I'll check with Frank and see if it is OK to add these to my list as joint efforts. I have Vienna 487 already on my list of scenarios and I think that may also have been a joint effort with Frank.

[stockwellpete]

Iirc you were going to do or actually did an alternative scenario on Sagrajas. If you did, you should go ahead and post it.

OK, I have posted it in your Sagrajas thread.