LF in a all MF list... Usefull?

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LF in a all MF list... Usefull?

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Have the option to bring LF in a all MF list... Other than trying to tempt out shock foot of an over lapped scrap... Any other use of LF? Being a 100% MF list, terrian is covered...
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nigelemsen wrote:Have the option to bring LF in a all MF list... Other than trying to tempt out shock foot of an over lapped scrap... Any other use of LF? Being a 100% MF list, terrian is covered...
Most definitely - probably moreso than any other list. If you are ALL MF you're at a HUGE risk vs mounted. LF can push right up to the enemy mounted and evade when they charge. This means you've got SOMETHING that has a chance against mounted - MF can't do that.
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Yes I know I am at risk versus mounted... But understand now the LF could be used to draw off the mounted thanks
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Hi ravenflight
Not sure i would risk my light foot moving right up to any mount b.g esp. lt horse ? all you need is a bad dice when you try and evade and its all over . :(
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One thing that LF will give you is something that can deploy in the outside 12mu of the table. I agree that pushing them in the face of cavalry is risky, but of you move them to 7/8 mus you can pervent them from sweeping round a flank and not risk being pinned by them. You could also use them to slow up enemy foot in one part of the table to allow you to concentrate your MF on another part of the enemy army.
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davekhan wrote:Hi ravenflight
Not sure i would risk my light foot moving right up to any mount b.g esp. lt horse ? all you need is a bad dice when you try and evade and its all over . :(
Well, when I said 'mounted' I mean 'real mounted' not pussies who don't ride stirrup to stirrup... or to put it another way 'mounted that are a risk to your MF.

Now, you can't really control that too much, but you can't control it at all if you have NO light foot.

As to being caught evading, there is little difference between light foot being caught in the rear by enemy mounted and MF being caught frontally by enemy mounted. It's still 1 BG dead. With the LF you've got a chance to get away (and maybe let your MF concentrate on the enemy foot for a while)
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nigelemsen wrote:Have the option to bring LF in a all MF list... Other than trying to tempt out shock foot of an over lapped scrap... Any other use of LF? Being a 100% MF list, terrian is covered...
Shock troops do not charge without orders in FoGR so if you are looking for uses for LF, this definitely isn't one of them...

They will be far more maneuverable than the rest of your pedestrians, and so might be able to quicklyget into positions to add one or two more shooting dice to a target. This can be important in tipping the balance in some matchups, and is also a key use for Dragoons
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madaxeman wrote:Shock troops do not charge without orders in FoGR so if you are looking for uses for LF, this definitely isn't one of them...
Whilst they don't have to charge, what are their choices?

If you're 1.1" away from a BG of Determined Horse Pistol Pistol with LF, the Determined Horse either:
1) charge to clear the LF away,
2) turn into a 1 element wide column to maneuver away (giving the LF a chance to hit and cause a cohesion on 1 hit); or,
3) stand there and take it.

I'll happily play you a game Mr Axeman where you stand for the entire game with your mounted in front of my LF 'not charging' because you don't have to. :)
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Well MK will be a "test" of everyone's submissions :) and Rollcall will be fun... As holidaying in NZ, "I feel the need for" a maori list, but I need to check the list book to see if the date fits with 1570AD cut off.... Massed warrior impact/sword will be fun... If position ladder sucide :)
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ravenflight wrote:
madaxeman wrote:Shock troops do not charge without orders in FoGR so if you are looking for uses for LF, this definitely isn't one of them...
Whilst they don't have to charge, what are their choices?

If you're 1.1" away from a BG of Determined Horse Pistol Pistol with LF, the Determined Horse either:
1) charge to clear the LF away,
2) turn into a 1 element wide column to maneuver away (giving the LF a chance to hit and cause a cohesion on 1 hit); or,
3) stand there and take it.

I'll happily play you a game Mr Axeman where you stand for the entire game with your mounted in front of my LF 'not charging' because you don't have to. :)
Agreed.. However if the horse are in overlap as per the original post, your light foot are only hitting on 6's. 2 dice hitting on 6's will cause a CT one turn in 36....so I think I could probably afford to wait a little while before charging ..... :wink:
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madaxeman wrote:However if the horse are in overlap as per the original post, your light foot are only hitting on 6's.
Not if the enemy are capable of charging. If they are fighting only as an overlap, there is no modifier for shooting at them.
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rbodleyscott wrote:
madaxeman wrote:However if the horse are in overlap as per the original post, your light foot are only hitting on 6's.
Not if the enemy are capable of charging. If they are fighting only as an overlap, there is no modifier for shooting at them.
you kept that one quiet....
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madaxeman wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
madaxeman wrote:However if the horse are in overlap as per the original post, your light foot are only hitting on 6's.
Not if the enemy are capable of charging. If they are fighting only as an overlap, there is no modifier for shooting at them.
you kept that one quiet....
I kept everything quiet. You have to read the rule book, it won't read itself aloud.
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I kept everything quiet. You have to read the rule book, it won't read itself aloud.
Following the innovation of Fog AM v2 on Tablet, maybe the next release could be on Audiobook.
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kevinj wrote:
I kept everything quiet. You have to read the rule book, it won't read itself aloud.
Following the innovation of Fog AM v2 on Tablet, maybe the next release could be on Audiobook.

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Following the innovation of Fog AM v2 on Tablet, maybe the next release could be on Audiobook.
And then we could start a whole new technology related discussion about vinyl, cassette, CD or downloadable versions :D
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