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No, I am actually not looking for new games...

Post by MrsWargamer »

It is a common theme with threads, what do you want to see next?

But I personally think Battle Academy (which will always be Battlefield Academy whenever I see the name, piss off EA), is the best wargame ever made for the computer.

It has what I want in a wargame, and it was done so utterly perfectly too.

The game board is no so damned large you need a massive screen. Because while it is possible to play something like this on a large board, it doesn't make the game better just to make it bigger. I come from Squad Leader, and I consider anything more than 3 boards to be ruining the point of the game. It's called Squad Leader for a reason, not battalion commander. I got suckered into buying the HASL models, and would likely sell them in a heart beat if sorting out the counters was an easy task :)

The unit quantity is perfect, because playing wargames with 10s of thousands of units doesn't make a game better. Just because we can make game that way, doesn't make them better, it just makes the turn longer. And being able to play a full game in one sitting will ALWAYS trump any design that can't.

The controls are superb. The fact that the controls in BA are so utterly simple is a plus. The fact they can be controlled easily from a touch screen will mean we are playing them for a long time. Get used to it, PCs are the past. No one really cares if a few stubborn grogs are desperately in need of desktops. Tomorrow's youths will be playing their games on the latest devices, and in time, a PC will be as sell-able as a VCR or a cathode ray tube TV.

Slitherine has as I see it, produced the only method of multi gamer option worth mention for games that simply never get beyond meh until the game is human vs human.
Before the gamer match up with BA, the chances of a fair and honest game in any wargame worth mention were about the same as winning the lottery. A nice dream, but not worth the time to wait for generally, even if a few still wanted to. During the beginning of BA, I was playing countless games, and with total strangers and with no effort at all, and never for a moment concerned about verification. Only my own circumstances have made me inactive. If I had to pick any game to be playing, BA is always in the #1 slot. And there are no ties here, BA is by itself in owning that spot.

I see comments about 'cartoony' and they go right out the window as comments not worth my time. The remarks have no merit. BA is no more 'gamey' than a game of chess as well. Either you study the game, or you get trashed. And that is how I prefer games ostensibly about mental challenge.

Slitherine can produce as many expansions for BA as they like. I will be ready to check them out as often as they make them.

Next up is of course Panzer Corps. And the only reason it is at #2, is because I like tactical more. It's not a reflection of the game itself.
I have bought all of it so far. If I was told I could only have two games, any games, even games outside of wargaming, I would have no problem picking BA and Panzer Corps.
The DLC approach has been a good idea. I like that the creators have been able to provide us a solid game, and also managed to make it profitable for them as well. I don't have a beef with a company benefiting from a job well done. It would be as silly as being annoyed with Tamiya for always expecting me to pay for more models.

I am not generally into being a consumer slave though. There is a limit to how many ways I need to be provided with something that works.
There ARE lots of good wargames that have appeared over this century. But in some cases they have been redundant when sat on a shelf beside others.
Several grand strategy designs, all doing the same old schtick. Several designs all featuring real time but at differing graphics styles. More than one monster game, and having more appeal than any of the board games that got us to coin the term 'monster game' in the first place.

You can only play with one toy at a time though.
In retrospect, I have suffered a great deal of lack of capacity to be happy with what I had.
The grass is not greener on the other side, and the next guy's design is rarely better, merely different.
There is a limit to how often I need a new way to simulate the same thing.

Given a chance, to my way of thinking, if you have BA and Panzer Corps, odds are you don't have time for anything else, and why go with anything from 3rd place and below eh?
The ASL crowd have an expression "there are other wargames?'.

I wish the wargame developing community well in 2013. But I have all I need :)

My next personal goal, find a way to be holding on to a Windows 8 tablet able to run my Windows based wargames, and not need to rob a bank to pay for it :)
I like my Android using tablet a lot, but the moment I can play BA on a tablet, and not need a specifically Android version, my son can have the Android one.
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Re: No, I am actually not looking for new games...

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Erm...you lost me at Battle Academy.

While this game seems nice enough. I do not think that game offer real tactical engagement other then scripted scenery. [Mind the 5 infantry man killing Tiger and 2 other units of Germans. ] People just have very bad taste at criticising stuff. I actually love that cartoonish way. Besides, that stuff sells .
But the game itself is nothing more then mobile game. Really refreshing, easy and bright . Outstanding ? No.

In that manner of "real" tactical approach . Only one game can really say that : Hearts of Irons series. Talking in real tactical simulation.
PzC on the other hand does represent well in history battles and tactical choice. But hardly simulating it.
Yet, even i doubt my judgement. Because you get a very different and vivid perception when you play turnbased tactical game vs real time , or /3D. Simple presentation makes us biased on what is tactically more sound . Subjective as you may say.
For example Total War series represent BEST , THE BEST tactical presentation of early style of war and fight. But only battles. In grand scale, while it does represent big map, executes really badly. And Hearts of Irons wins there effortlessly.
PzC however outmatch both of those games in tactical approach on squad based chess structure ...

So it really matters on WHAT do you want from a wargame. All of those games offer different enjoyment . But you should try Distant Worlds perhaps . or some older games. I wonder if you played Blitzkrieg. Older game, very good in tactical presentation. Game itself is chunky however and poorly optimised . But I have yet to see similar game like that.
People say... Hearts of Iron + Rome Total War.
I say PzC + Blitzkrieg As... PzC grand strategy , combined with Blitzkrieg's battles... Man, tears of joy. One can only hope.

:P Bit offtopic all of this is. But you did ask if there is something else to play. Also check Codename: Panzers Phase one and two
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Re: No, I am actually not looking for new games...

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If I am wrong, no offense intended to you personally, but, I must actually consider your enthusiastic support of HoI to just be pure and simple bait :)

That series is the buggiest piece of dismal let down offal I have ever witnessed in the entire time I have had an iota of interest in a game not played on a table and not conducted electronically.

No seriously, I have seen ever release, and not one of them was worth having for free.

I can't claim to know what it is you seek in a challenge from a game though, so maybe that is the issue.

Battle Academy though, delivers solid gaming fun, and a game that performs incredibly well as software as well as a means for humans to complete with humans in an environment free of the usual distrust that the other guy only won through some form of digital trickery. Every win I had to earn, and every loss I was ok with because I was positive I had simply been beaten by my opponent fairly.

I am totally pumped that they are about to release soon the Operation Husky expansion.

I have seen when HoI was on Steam for nearly free, and frankly free is too high a price for that garbage.
But hey some people like collecting garbage I suppose. Can't explain why the fans though put up with 3 buggy as hell releases.

Bitzkrieg, hhmmm you'd have scored a perfect score of garbage titles mentioned if you had mentioned Sudden Strike :)

I think the games under the banner Army Men, and Battlefield 1942 were better simulations :) Than your picks.
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But I did say its just a matter of perspective. As in subjective thing. So you like BA for reasons you stated. I objected and so forte . No harms done.
If anything i like Blitzkrieg more then anything. And that game is also piece of crap. But i like it.

However... Army Men? And Battlefield 1942? I like both of those games, but... one is RTS and other is FPS. You cant compare those games with PzC or HOI.
Both games are "triple AAA" polished to the death with 50+ people developing it. Im not trying to defend my odd choice. But, those games are in different league.

I was talking about what those games tried to show us. Some people like numbers , some people like ambient , and some people like overall fun play factor. And I stated that for BA. Its fun - as in you have great time playing it .. Its easy - as in simplistic [Both in game rules and commands] , its bright - as in colorfully ambient . Outstanding , no. Because you have ton of games like[similar] to BA.

If anything Valkyria Chronicles blows BA . Sadly theres non on PC to be found. But I can name few also. Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Tactics Ogre ... HELL even Front Mission series. All similar gameplay .

If you are talking about theme of the game.. well that is whole new story to type.
But, I do not want to bash BA , as its really nice little game. Not outstanding to me tho...Every game have some different charm to me.

Ps. Sudden Strike use Enigma Engine. Same as Blitzkrieg series. Improved version from Cossacks games. Or based on that, donno. Sudden Strike was rubbish in gameplay anyway.
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Re: No, I am actually not looking for new games...

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When it gets right down to it, really, all most hard core wargamers simply want someone AAAAAAANYONE to just re do Steel Panthers and who cares what they call it.

But as great as that game was, playing the Long Campaign against the AI was liking beating up little girls.

I get annoyed with people trying to always insist though that a game MUST have an AI opponent. I mean why? most of the time the AI is brain dead.

What made the Mega Campaigns for Steel Panthers great, was you couldn't cherry pick perfect mixes of never fought in those arrangements forces, you had to use what you were given and you had to fight with the next fight being kept in mind.

I do wish I could play Advanced Squad Leader on a computer, who wouldn't, but the bottom line is there is no reason to think the AI would not make you weep. Still, with VASL software, I suppose I COULD get off my ass and play ASL against another human. Otherwise, it will just be me pushing card board here solo I suppose. ASL isn't perfect, but forget trying to find a better wargame.

Not that some haven't done a nice try. Close Combat, nice try, but the AI is still the thing. Combat Mission, no better, same level of success, but in 3d. Squad Battles might be ok, but again, no ASL in the end. The Conflict of Heroes was a good purchase. Feels like a board game, and frankly that's where it's at for me. If I want an arcade game, I'd rather play one and just admit that is all it is. I don't mind playing Advance Wars on my DS along with Panzer Tactics, and Steel Horizon and a few other good titles. Small General is currently the best Android wargame out there.

The thing with wargames, is the moment it is all about mouse skill you've lost me. The second the game is a matter of rapid moving 3d graphics, well thanks to a peculiarity of my vision, I can't see 3d or depth for that matter. I require games with still images not motion. I want to be able to sit here and make my choices while casually sipping a hot chocolate. Or be watching a film while playing my turn. I haven't been young enough for arcade action since 1985.

To me, wargaming is all about the cerebral challenge, not the specs of my computer :)
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Re: No, I am actually not looking for new games...

Post by BlackeyeVuk »

Steel Panthers ooo i do love that one. Great reminder . I guess you have the point. :P
But, nobody gonna create similar games of old.

Remind me Herzog Zwei and that new Airmech.. Totally lost interest .
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